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dmb
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We all have our own reasons for choosing the programs that we choose to study. I chose my masters based on two reasons. 1) The university was in my home town. I chose a distance program and I had the option to go f/t if my circumstances changed-so I could have stayed at my mother's house  2) At the start of the program I was interested in teacher training and the head of dept. was /is one of the 'names' in teacher training. However the year in which I started he was 'put out to pasture'as my friend likes to say.(mike wallace btw) |
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ls650
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Some of you seem to be arguing simply to get the last word in. Maybe it's time to move on... |
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JZer
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| TEFL'ers: Next time you're showing sentences with incorrect syntax and spelling in your ESL/EFL class, you know where to find an excellent example!! |
I corrected this a latter post.. Like you have never made a grammar mistake on a discussion board. I was probably in a hurry and just wanted to respond quickly. I latter posted:
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| There is actually a theory that states that the only person that can critic something is someone from the outside. |
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| But if JZer perceives that his money is well spent (for him) studying German at the University of Delaware, who can argue with him? I won't. |
I do not pay a dime to go here. So how can you question if my money is well spent. You might be able to question whether my time is well spent.
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(1) Attending the world-renowned Monterey Institute
(2) Attending the University of Delaware
What a dilemma!! |
I guess some people just want to turn this into a personal vendetta against me. I have never argued the University of Delaware versus the Monterey Institute. I have argued that there are similar programs that are more cost affective. I have offered several alternatives such as Purdue, Arizona State, Ohio State, and the University of Delaware. I could probably come up with five more if I needed too.
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| MIIS has visiting scholars and students from around the world, plus the potential for fruitful networking, joint research, and cultural exchange. It's a widely recognized center for international study and collaboration. |
Most large universities have students and scholars from around the world. Delaware is not a hot place in the U.S. but despite that we have at least 500 foreign students and scholars. I spend many Firday nights discussing issues with these students.
I will try to find out how many foreign students Monterey has. According to MIIS's website Monterey institute has 750 students. The University of Delaware has almost as many foreign students as Monterey has total students. [/quote] |
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Gordon
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:38 am Post subject: |
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I never did find out what the program cost. You mentioned $12,000? I bet that isn't for non-Americans.
What are you studying there BTW? |
Gordon considering the discussion was more about Americans wanting to study in the US it is not so important what the cost for non-Americans is but if you really want to know the out-of state tuition applies to foreigners. You only pay less if you live in the state where the University is located. There is no extra cost for foreigners. I will even email Purdue to make sure that this is correct.
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Where did we say anything that this post was for Americans? But I'll forgive you since that is a common misperception that Americans make. This forum allows even non-Americans to participate. Americans are gracious to allow our voice to be heard.
Unless the tuition clearly says out-of -state also includes out-of-country there will be 2 different rates. Almost every country I know has a different price for int'l students (as they should). |
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JZer
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:10 am Post subject: |
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| Where did we say anything that this post was for Americans? But I'll forgive you since that is a common misperception that Americans make. |
Since the person that made the post was an American and I would also guess that people tend to do an MA in their home country I was directing the arguement towards Americans that were studying for an ESL or TESL M.A. I apoligize if you found that to be offensive. |
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Gordon
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| Where did we say anything that this post was for Americans? But I'll forgive you since that is a common misperception that Americans make. |
Since the person that made the post was an American and I would also guess that people tend to do an MA in their home country I was directing the arguement towards Americans that were studying for an ESL or TESL M.A. I apoligize if you found that to be offensive. |
Not offended, you just made a lot of assumptions. Perhaps people on this site are more int'l than you think or assume. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:07 am Post subject: |
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Gordon wrote,
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| Unless the tuition clearly says out-of -state also includes out-of-country there will be 2 different rates. Almost every country I know has a different price for int'l students (as they should). |
Gordon, I am not trying to pick a fight but I have not made any more assumptions than you have. The tuition at San Diego State is the same for non-Californian residents whether they are Americans or not.
From the universities web site:
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| Out of State/Foreign Tuition Fee(Mandatory for Out of State and Foreign Students) Must be paid in addition to mandatory fees above $339.00 per unit |
The in state tution is $1,234.00 per semester and if you add another $2600 for an average of eight credits per semester you would pay 7,600 a year and $16,200 over two years. Actually it is a little less but this is an estimate of what it would cost to attend San Diego State. I will email Purdue to see if the out of state tuition is the same for Americans and foreigners. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Gordon wrote,
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| Almost every country I know |
Gordon while there may be more countries that charge foreign students more there are also some that do not. I am going to send a query to Purdue to find out if international students pay more than America non-residents but most American schools do charge international students the same as other out of state residents. I have already posted that San Diego State charges international students the same as Americans that are not California residents. Ohio state is another example. Ohio State would charge you $20,133 for graduate school if you were an out of state student or an international student. Before any one jumps on me about Ohio State costing almost as much as the Monterey Institute I only offered this as an alternative option because I think that you could get a teaching assistantship at Ohio State and get your tuition waved. I was suggesting that a person who was interested in applying for an MA in ESL or TESL would apply to both Ohio State and Monterey Institute and see if they were awarded a teaching assistantship to attend Ohio State. If not it is probably not really a good option. Another option would be if you had relatives in Ohio you could probably establish in state residency before you attended Ohio State.
Germany is another country that tends not to charge foreign students more money to attend its universities. There are some international MA programs that cost more but the extra fee is for the international Master's program which both German students and foreigner students would have to pay. Normally in Germany you pay the university only a registration fee of 50-100 Euros. If you want to pursue a German �magister� (the German equivalent of a Master�s degree) you would just have to pay the registration fee. If you had a BA from abroad it would probably take three years to complete the German magister but you would have to speak German. There are also two year International MA�s that are set up like MA programs in other countries. Sometimes there is an extra fee for attending these programs but in most cases the fee is for all students, even German students who wanted to obtain this degree would have to pay that fee.
With that said I have found 383 MA programs in Germany that are in English. (I found this information at the German Academic Exchange Service) Many of them have no extra cost. (But remember if there is an extra cost it is usually not on foreigners but on the program itself) If you want to check them out here are some links:
http://www.daad.de/deutschland/de/2.2.4.html?detailid=248&fachgebiet=-1&sprache=2&abschluss=-1&seite=1&doppelhut=&ort=
Master�s in Chemical and Process Engineering at the University of Magdeburg
http://www.daad.de/deutschland/de/2.2.4.html?detailid=233&fachgebiet=-1&sprache=2&abschluss=6&seite=1&doppelhut=&ort=
The Master�s of Arts and Sciences(Global Studied Program) at the University of Freiburg also does not have an extra cost.
The World Heritage MA at the Brandenburg University of Technology (BTU) Cottbus does not charge extra fees for students to attend. Here is a link for getting info on this program:
http://www.daad.de/deutschland/de/2.2.4.html?detailid=80&fachgebiet=8&sprache=2&abschluss=6&seite=2&doppelhut=0&ort=
Just to be fair I did find one German University program that charges foreigners more. This program is called the European Masters Clinical Linguistics (EMCL) and is located in Postdam just outside of Berlin but the University of Potsdam does not levy a higher cost on international students that study for a degree in its normal �magister� programs with other German students. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Another option would be the University of British Columbia in Vancouver. It offers an MA in Teaching English as a second language. This program list over 20 professors and has classes on Curriculum, Research Methodology in Education, and Research in Language Curriculum: Social Practice Perspectives, Second Language Assessment: Conceptual and Empirical Approaches, and Theory and Research in Teaching Second Language Writing. The University of British Columbia only cost $6,600 U.S. for international students and less if you are a Canadian citizen.
Here is the website:
www.lled.educ.ubc.ca |
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AsiaTraveller
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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Not getting any extra points there, JZer... And you still don't understood the concept of perceived value, even though it's critical. Let's be thankful you're studying German and not either English or economics.
For your (and everyone else's) information, MIIS has a total of approximately 750 students on its campus.
The University of Delaware has a total of approximately 18,000 students on its campus.
However, if you want to persist in giving advice to amandajoy99 and denise about how to spend their money, you might wisely invest in a good economics textbook and course. What would that be worth to you???
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JZer
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Secondly, no CALL courses. I know that is my preference, but that is what I looked for in a program. |
Gordon, I will agree with you that if someone is really interested in computer assisted language learning that it might be worth it to attend MIIS since this is not offered at many universities. In regards to other aspects of an MA in ESL or TEFL such as curriculm design or sociolinguistics MIIS offers similar classes to other universities. |
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AsiaTraveller
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Cost, cost, cost, cost, cost ...
It doesn't make my world go 'round. And it doesn't govern every single life-critical decision that I make for myself and my family. There are components of "value" other than mere "price".
Those whose finances are extremely tight will necessarily worry about price all (or some) of the time. But why assume that everyone will make decisions based exclusively on price all of the time?
The fallacy in that thinking is obvious, no matter how many university websites JZer consults for postgraduate tuition fees and for the availability of teaching assistantships.
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N.B.
See the thread "Bad job offers from the Int'l job board" for another discussion of "value" and "quality" in the TEFL world. |
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Gordon
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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Jzer,
Let's look at Masters in English/TEFL or Applied Linguistics since that is what most of us here are studying, not German but I know that is your expertise. Personally, I only seripously considerede getting a masters degree from Canada, Australia or the UK. These 3 countries nationally accredit their universities (the U.S. does not, they have regional accreditation and do not have national standards). While the U.S. has some great universities, they have some real crappy ones too. While I would not rule out American schools entirely, I would certainly be more cautious about attending one.
I also would only want to get a degree from a uni where English is the first language so that only leaves out NZ or S. Africa, which I don't know much about. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Let's look at Masters in English/TEFL or Applied Linguistics since that is what most of us here are studying, not German but I know that is your expertise. |
Gordon, where does the part about studying German come in. I have admitted that I study German but have only cited ESL programs. If you prefer applied linguistic programs then I will find some examples of applied linguistic programs for you. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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AsiaTraveller wrote,
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| However, if you want to persist in giving advice to amandajoy99 and denise about how to spend their money, you might wisely invest in a good economics textbook and course. What would that be worth to you??? |
Considering economic classes only teach people about economic theory such as supply and demand I do not think that attending an economic class will really give me much advice on how to spend my money. |
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