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RUSTY · Joined: 03 Apr 2005 Posts: 7

a great deal of advertisements have Ba and/or Tefl stated in yet when Ayou receive the info via email they say you need a Ba to get the z visa.i have a dip and a tefl cert ,does anybody know of a suitable school with individual accom,All info would be helpful.I have some limited teaching experience.

Indiana Jones · Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:28 am Post subject:

I'm in the same boat, with a Diploma and TESOL Certificate. What am I doing? I'm applying for jobs anyway.

You don't need a Bachelor's or above to get the Z Visa -- what you need is a job. If an employer hires you, then you'll get the Z Visa. Some will say it's illegal to have a Z Visa without a Bachelor's or above, but I checked into this and it's not true -- all you need is a contract of employment, the rest is up to the employer.

With a Bachelor's, you'll be able to get higher paying and better jobs, but with a Diploma and TEFL you can still get decent employment.

My advice -- APPLY! Ignore the naysayers, just apply, even to the jobs that ask for a Bachelor's, you never know.

You say you have limited teaching experience -- drop the "limited" and emphasise that you have teaching experience. What's your diploma in? If it's anything to do with the english language, again, emphasise this. Be sincere, be passionate, be clear about what you want to do in China ... and you'll get a job.

Good luck!

Now excuse me, I need to practice what I preach ... Embarassed

RUSTY · Joined: 03 Apr 2005 Posts: 7

Thanks for your advise..that,s very incouraging

Can i ask where you got that info from?

Thanks again! Very Happy

tofuman · Joined: 02 Jul 2004 Posts: 937

If you really want to work here, follow the advice given above. Things may have changed lately, but it was possible to get a Visa Z without a bachelor's degree.

Realize that no degree or lack of one is going to protect you from lying, treacherous, manipulative admninistrators. That should be your biggest concern. You could spend your money to get here, work a month, and find out that the school is insolvent, unable to pay or that they are thieves and won't pay. You might lose your passport in the process. THAT is what you should be concerned about.

Most of this handwringing about being qualified is a joke. it doesn't matter how qualified you are. Most students who see you in groups of 50 once or twice a week are not going to learn much in the way of oral English, even if they want to. Most do not.

Indiana Jones · Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:41 am Post subject:

ironclay · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 45

Though more and more employers are requiring a BA, the lack of it
wouldn't seriously injure your chances of landing a job...
BUT DON'T FORGET TO BE WHITE.

Zero Hero · Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Posts: 944

I don't think that reading forums such as these constitutes 'research'.

You may well be able to secure employment on the mainland without a degree but you won't be legal. You also won't have foreign 'expert' status.

"Those in search of language teaching positions in universities and institutions of higher learning should have a good grasp of their native languages and literature and should have at least three years' language teaching experience. They should be able to speak their native language in standard pronunciation and intonation." (1994, Guide for Foreign Experts Working in China, State Bureau of Foreign Experts, republished in 1998 and 2002)

"1. Who can be considered foreign experts working in China?

Foreign experts who are invited to work in China can be divided into the following:

1. Foreign educational, scientific, cultural and medical experts.

These refer to those experts who are employed by the Chinese schools and other educational establishments in such fields as publication, medicine, scientific research, culture and art, and sports. They should hold bachelor's degrees and have more than two years of experience."
(SAFEA GUIDE FOR FOREIGN EXPERTS WORKING IN CHINA Zheng Huaisheng Chen Yangjin, chief editor.)

See also:

http://www.ebeijing.gov.cn/Jobs/ForeignExperts/EconomicTechnological/t20030927_39645.htm

where again it states quite clearly that at least a first degree is now required.

The chances are that if you are one of those who for some reason or other does not even have a bachelors degree, your employer has stated in their application to employ you that you do.

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RUSTY · Joined: 03 Apr 2005 Posts: 7

Well this doesn't sound good! anybody with further comments would be useful.. Crying or Very sad

Zero Hero · Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Posts: 944

It has nothing to do with 2005. What I cited stems from a few years ago. These regulations have only recently begun to be enforced however (and in some cities, from what I hear, quite aggressively).

Again, to repeat, all because you know of someone who has a Z visa but who does not have a degree does not mean that such a qualification is not required to obtain such a visa. Rather, all it simply means is that someone somewhere has lied as regards qualifications held by the applicant.

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yaco · Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Posts: 473

Buy a Batchelor's Degree or work under a Business Visa.

RUSTY · Joined: 03 Apr 2005 Posts: 7

Thankyou all for this interesting debate...Well it seems there is more than a few teachers teaching with Z visas who legally shouldnt be.Obviously this is easy for the schools to obtain..what would happen if these teachers are caught

And incidentlly how do you buy a bachelors degree or get a business visa
and where?

Well its very interesting for everybody

Regards to all