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Jetgirly

Joined: 17 Jul 2004 Posts: 741
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:23 pm Post subject: Working Too Many Hours |
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I am working with a big chain school. I have only been teaching English for three months. My contract is for 22.5 hours per week, but for the last two months my school has been piling more and more hours on me. It went from 25 to 27 to 30 to 33 to 35.5! That is 35.5 contact hours in a week, plus 12 hours spent on the bus getting to and from in-company classes, plus time spent preparing lessons (so in the end we are talking about approximately fifty-five hours per week). I have REPEATEDLY asked the secretaries to give me fewer hours and they keep promising they will, but every week I show up and see that my schedule is even more jam-packed. I would really like to stay with the school until the end of my contract because I have some great students and like most of my classes, but I just want to have a reasonable number of hours (ie the number stipulated in my contract)... can anyone offer a suggestion about how to accomplish this? |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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As much as you may have to travel to get to a job, I don't think you can put those 12 hours per week into your total number of hours WORKED. Not really fair. Here in Japan, traveling 40-60 minutes one way to work is considered normal. You are paid for the number of hours you are in the office, pretty much anywhere you work in the world in any job.
If you are concerned about the number of contact hours you have, look again at your contract. Does it state a certain minimum, and after that you get overtime pay? Sounds like a time to go over the heads of the secretaries to your manager, or higher. |
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ls650

Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 3484 Location: British Columbia
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: Working Too Many Hours |
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Jetgirly wrote: |
I am working with a big chain school. I have only been teaching English for three months. My contract is for 22.5 hours per week |
What does your contract say? It may say that they can ask you to do overtime, but they have to pay for it. There is likely also a limit on the number of overtime hours per month you can be asked to do.
If they are breaking the terms of the contract, tell them to stop it or you'll quit. There are PLENTY of other jobs out there; don't be miserable at one when another, better job awaits you. |
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eslHQ

Joined: 29 Jan 2005 Posts: 43 Location: Korea
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:44 am Post subject: |
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My fiancee was in a similar situation. they promised her no weekend work, no overtime. one month later they were asking her for both.
so, she quit. then they came back to her with a different offer that proved to be super sweeeeet. gave her a part-time contract with a full-time visa and still paid her quite a bit.
the reason your employer is taking advantage of you (if they really are, you should re-read your contract) is because they have taken advantage of every other teacher at the school. and what does the teacher do? nothing. and what does the school learn? we can take advantage of our foreign work staff.
this is your chance to put a stop to it (IF THEY REALLY ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF YOU). make life better for all teachers that will come to that school and country and stand up for yourself. give them a choice and be prepared to walk
ps. this advice is only offered if they really are working you otuside of your contractual duties. if this is within your contract, hang in there.  |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:55 am Post subject: Re: Working Too Many Hours |
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Jetgirly wrote: |
I am working with a big chain school. I have only been teaching English for three months. My contract is for 22.5 hours per week, but for the last two months my school has been piling more and more hours on me. It went from 25 to 27 to 30 to 33 to 35.5! That is 35.5 contact hours in a week, plus 12 hours spent on the bus getting to and from in-company classes, plus time spent preparing lessons (so in the end we are talking about approximately fifty-five hours per week). I have REPEATEDLY asked the secretaries to give me fewer hours and they keep promising they will, but every week I show up and see that my schedule is even more jam-packed. I would really like to stay with the school until the end of my contract because I have some great students and like most of my classes, but I just want to have a reasonable number of hours (ie the number stipulated in my contract)... can anyone offer a suggestion about how to accomplish this? |
If you are working a forty hour week, e.g. 1pm to 9m with one hour for meal breaks that would be considered your standard working hours. MOst conversation school teachers would be teaching arounnd 26 or 27 hours a week out of those 40 hours. Anything over 40 hours they have to pay you overtime.
You are generally not paid for any time spent on the train, and those are not considered proper work hours but commuting. Your employer should be paying for your transportation to and from the company and to a clients company but those 12 hours on the train do not get included in your work hours which would attract overtime. Work hours are those where you are actually teaching in the classroom.
If you are teaching 35 hours a week and preparing classes, i admit that is excessive, you should be able to ask for overtime for any time over 40 hours, not including overtime. Hard yakka, but what you think is reasonable may not be the same as the companies and nowadays many companies are working their employees harder and harder and getting them teaching more lessons etc.
What are the maximum number of working hours I can be made to work, and is there any kind of premium if I work over these hours?
(Articles 32, 36, 37, 3
The maximum hours of work that you can be made to work is 40 over six days. Anything over this must be voluntary and even voluntary overtime work has a limit which is set by ordinance. This ordinance allows for overtime of up to 5 hours per week.
Work over forty hours must be paid at a rate of 125% of your basic salary and all work between 10pm and 5am must be paid at 135%. Work on your designated rest day (one day per week) must also be paid at the rate of 135%. Employers must also have what is called an "Article 36 Agreement" which is signed by either a trade union or a workers' representative. Without this agreement, which must be signed by either a trade union representing over 50% of the work force or a workers' representative, overtime, even voluntary, is not allowed. This agreement not only sets the amount of overtime but also sets how overtime is calculated (i.e. monthly, weekly, yearly). . |
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daily chai
Joined: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 150 Location: Brussels
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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eslHQ wrote: |
this advice is only offered if they really are working you otuside of your contractual duties. if this is within your contract, hang in there.  |
I agree with a lot that ESLHQ said, but differ in this respect. If you are unhappy and feeling taken advantage of, you can always quit. Life is too short to toil at a job you're miserable at, whether it's within the contract or not. Your understanding when you took the job was the hours were different than what they are now. Even if you had agreed to those hours, you have the right to change your mind.
You might consider calmly asking for clarification of the situation with the secretaries, and then ask for a copy of your contract. In an ideal world, you'd already have a copy of it but if not--live and learn. But of course the emplyment decisions are not being made by the secretaries. You could ask to speak with the person requesting these extra hours with a copy of the contract. If it's within the contract then you might have to look around for new work, and possibly do a visa run if laws require. Good luck to you  |
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Gregor

Joined: 06 Jan 2005 Posts: 842 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 1:32 pm Post subject: Working too many hours |
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As the Director of Studies for one of those chain schools, I am amazed at how many teachers sign a contract and fail to get a copy of it.
Yes, PLEASE make sure you know for a fact what you are contracted to do.
I disagree with what daily chai said about breaking your contract even if they are honoring their end. That would just be dishonorable on your part.
That said, I sincerely doubt that one of the bigger chain schools had a contract that required you to do 35 contact hours a week. You should be able to refuse more than what your contract stipulates.
In my school, teachers must be willing to work a certain number of hours. They are paid overtime if they go over that, BUT they are not required to go overtime if they don't want to. It is my job to see to it that the teachers honor their contracts AND that the employer honors it as well.
Perhaps you don't have a DoS, or you don't have a very effective one. If either of those are the case, you have to stand up for yourself, and PLEASE do so, for the sake of teachers who come after you.
But I want to echo what eslHQ said - be SURE that you know what the contract says. And please (again, for the sake of teachers coming after you), honor it. |
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Zero Hero
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Posts: 944
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 4:17 pm Post subject: Re: Working Too Many Hours |
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Jetgirly wrote: |
I have REPEATEDLY asked the secretaries to give me fewer hours and they keep promising they will, but every week I show up and see that my schedule is even more jam-packed. |
My advice would be simply to stop showing up at any classes that are over and above your contracted hours. Why are you REPEATEDLY asking for your contracted terms? If they have forgotten them then simply staple a copy to their foreheads.
The more you do, the more they will give you. If you have been relying on good will, then forget it. Your performing these extra, uncontracted hours (and I am confident they are just that - no school can schedule anyone with 35.5 hours) will, on the part of the management, be taken as a tacit acceptance of the New Order. |
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