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JZer
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| And you do all your research over the Internet, so that's what I did with your own progr am. |
This is where you are wrong. I know two people that have MAs from MIIS. I will admit that a lot of my info is from the net but not all of it. |
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AsiaTraveller
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Location: Singapore, Mumbai, Penang, Denpasar, Berkeley
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| You know since there is a higher percentage of foreign graduate students here than at MIIS. |
Yep, foreign grad students at Delaware in physics, engineering, chemistry, math, computer science, and all those other departments that don't even exist at MIIS... 
Foreign students and domestic students at MIIS are all immersed in--and learning about--intercultural studies, not stuck in a science lab or computer lab. That's the difference in "value" of an M.A. from MIIS for a potential English teacher working in a mutlicultural environment. I lived an hour away from MIIS for many years and was on campus often. It's the most intensely multicultural and international environment I've ever experienced.
But that argument was WAY above JZer's head a couple of weeks ago, and it seems it still is!
Let's note too that JZer is the only male grad student in German at Delaware. He surrounds himself with women wherever he goes, it appears. All power to him and his free education!  |
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JZer
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| But that argument was WAY above JZer's head a couple of weeks ago, and it seems it still is! |
I guess you can't take a joke!!!
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| Yep, foreign grad students at Delaware in physics, engineering, chemistry, math, computer science, and all those other departments that don't even exist at MIIS... |
Either way, we still have a higher percentage of foreign grad students!!!! |
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JZer
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| I lived an hour away from MIIS for many years and was on campus often. It's the most intensely multicultural and international environment I've ever experienced. |
Seems to me that you changed your viewpoint. You once were saying that it was the only one or one of a few the promoted intercultural exchange and that just is not true. I might actually agree with your revised statement but I am still not sure if I believe that this multicultural environment is worth $23,000 a year.
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| But that argument was WAY above JZer's head a couple of weeks ago, and it seems it still is! |
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denise
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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I guess you can't take a joke!!!
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Does this mean that all of your attacks at other people's priorities (i.e., anything other than MONEY) and all of your defensive re-wording of the same old argument were just jokes?
Ha ha.
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AsiaTraveller
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denise,
For a guy (like JZer) who thinks that attending a weekend party of Latino students constitutes "intercultural education," I guess the word joke is quite subjective.
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JZer
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| For a guy (like JZer) who thinks that attending a weekend party of Latino students constitutes "intercultural education," I guess the word joke is quite subjective. |
I guess the real joke is that you think that unless the "intercultural education" takes place within an academic building and you pay $23,000 a year for it, it does not constitute intercultural education.
Now I am starting to understand why you think that MIIS is worth $23,000 a year!!!!
Well for those with an open mind, sometimes you can learn more about culture by attending a party or just living with foreigners than you can in some academic building. In non-academic settings people tend to be more open and willing to share things that they would never talk about inside the great walls of academia!!!! |
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moonraven
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| Sometimes you can learn more by keeping your "jokes" to yourself and listening. |
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AsiaTraveller
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Not really a "listener" is our little JZer -- or a reader. |
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denise
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Another thought for JZer:
maybe some of us prioritize our JOBS more than money/parties/Brazilian girls or lads. If your sole purpose in going to grad school is to get that little piece of paper regardless of its quality, and your sole purpose in doing this job (as quoted, likely out of context but quoted nonetheless) is to meet girls, then there is no further need for discussion. You are clearly a different type of "teacher." For some of us, an MA is more than just a piece of paper, and for some of us, teaching is more than a way to party and meet members of the opposite sex.
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AsiaTraveller
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Don't sweat it anymore, denise. He won't get it. And he'll only parrot back his tired arguments about finding value in anything that doesn't cost him very much money.
But one might well wonder how JZer feels about the "value" of his undergraduate education. The college where he took his B.A. degree has the following annual costs. Why would he recommend that school to an aspiring freshman? Isn't the exact same education available at hundreds of other schools at less than one-third the cost -- or even less?
Tuition: $25,930
Fees: $400
Room: $4,150
Board: $3,010
Total cost: $33,490
Sort of puts things in a different perspective, eh???
He'll probably respond with one of the following:
*** "I got a scholarship there."
*** "My parents paid for it, not me."
*** "I worked five part-time jobs throughout my four years."
*** "Wow! My ideas about 'value' in education must really have changed now that I'm out in the real world. Maybe my own values don't reflect other people's values. Maybe 'value' depends on the context, not just on 'cost.'"
You wanna bet it won't be the last one? |
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moonraven
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Yeah, any amount of money you would like me to.
The guy is a broken record--on any topic. He was doing his stuck needle boogie on the Latin American Forum for awhile, too.
One of the characteristics of trolls is that they move from under one bridge to under another. Kinda makes me think he's one. |
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JZer
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He'll probably respond with one of the following:
*** "I got a scholarship there."
*** "My parents paid for it, not me."
*** "I worked five part-time jobs throughout my four years."
*** "Wow! My ideas about 'value' in education must really have changed now that I'm out in the real world. Maybe my own values don't reflect other people's values. Maybe 'value' depends on the context, not just on 'cost.'"
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AsiaTraveller, you were right. I did receive a scholarship. If I had not received a scholarship I probably would not have attended Washington and Jefferson College. Of course I would not recommend the school to an aspiring freshman since 90 percent of the school is made up of WASP. On the other hand there were some great teachers who inspired me to study abroad and study for an MA in German Literature.
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| Sort of puts things in a different perspective, eh??? |
I guess the perspective that you can attend a private school for less than a public school since some private schools offer a lot of scholarships. It is like anything. Some things can be done that others deem to be impossible since it comes down to knowing the rules of the game. |
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JZer
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| If your sole purpose in going to grad school is to get that little piece of paper regardless of its quality |
Denise, this is where you are wrong. The piece of paper is not why I am here. I am probably not going to do anything with the paper. I have no desire to teach German. I went to the University of Delaware to continue studying German and the opportunity to study in Germany again. Just because someone thinks that MIIS is not worth $23,000 a year does not mean that he or she just wants a piece of paper. I guess you and Asia Traveller will never understand that there might be good reasons why MIIS may not be worth $23,000!
Secondly I never promoted the cheapest alternative. I promoted less expensive options (I never told anyone to go and choose the least expensive option). I stated many options that cost less and that I don't think that MIIS or any school is worth the extra $23,000(at least not for an MA in EFL or an MA in German or Spanish or Russian). Denise and Asia Traveller seem to misinterpret my reasons for saying that MIIS is not worth $23,000. |
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denise
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I am well aware that some people may want a cheaper option. What I will never understand is why you refuse to relent and let people decide for themselves based on their own priorities.
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