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dogboy



Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:15 am    Post subject: Japan vs. Korea or Taiwan Reply with quote

Ok, here's my question. I am a 34 year old male that returned from Japan about 6 months ago. I spent 3 years in a small city in Japan with the JET Program. Now I am back in New York and considering heading back to Asia to teach again. I find that I am missing life in Asia tremendously.
While I was in Japan, I enjoyed my time (for the most part). The biggest problem I had was the small size of the city where I was living. I am from New York City and very much a city person. I like the fast pace, mobs of people, and choices for public transportation.
I have a degree in education, along with my 3 years experience with JET, but am not CELTA or TESOL certified.
My questionis how does Korea compare to Taiwan. More Specifically, I would be interested in going to Seoul or Taipei as when I was in Japan, I was missing big city life the most.
I'm not really interested in the debate of where I can make more money. I have read all the debates about this, and have already formed my own opinions. So, I do not need to know about the money issues. What I am looking for is some insight into culture, jobs, working environment, fun, entertainment, lifestyle, ect. I have a degree in high school education, and that is what I am most interested in. Younger kids just don't work out for me as well.
Any information that anyone can give me, would be greatly appreciated. Especially if you have lived and taught in 2 or more of the 3 locations. I'm looking for advice from people with first hand experience.
Thanks for any information that you can toss my way.
Cheers.
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Fortigurn



Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you read this?
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Aristotle



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Location: Taiwan

PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only distinct differences for foreign TESOL teachers, between Korea and Taiwan are that Korea has distinctly better benefits and Taiwan has a warmer climate.
They are of course different countries with different cultures but are comparable in nearly every other regard.
Good luck,
A.
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TaoyuanSteve



Joined: 05 Feb 2003
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Location: Taoyuan

PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would dispute the better benefits claim. My friend has lived in Korea for four years. The school provided appartment makes you more beholden to your employer. My friend admires the fact that I have my own appartment, in my own name, separate from my employer. In Korea it is much more difficult to rent a place separate from your employer because of the key money requirement for renting in Korea (Japan also?). Korea fronts you airfare. That's good. However, my first employer here reimbursed my airfare cost after completion of my first contract. Pay is pretty good over there, as is cost of living. Pay is also good here and cost of living is also low. However, racism and antiforeigner attitudes are getting out of control in Korea. My friend is coming here after four years in Korea because he has been attacked several times and no longer feels safe.
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Aristotle



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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racism and antiforeigner attitudes are getting out of control in Korea.

Many are saying the same about Taiwan.
Nationalism and secularism are on the upswing worldwide and it certainly is having an effect here in East Asia.
Good luck,
A.
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TaoyuanSteve



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't want to say this is a paradise, by any means. However, there isn't a problem of random violence targeting foreigners here; at least there isn't to the degree there is in Korea, especially recently.
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Ilanian



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come to Taiwan. That's my vote. Been to all three, Korea (two years) Crying or Very sad (that's because my hair thinned), Japan (one year) Cool (That's because I had no clue what was going on most of the time), Taiwan (seven years) Very Happy (that's because my hair came back) stayed in Taiwan.
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Fortigurn



Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aristotle wrote:
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racism and antiforeigner attitudes are getting out of control in Korea.

Many are saying the same about Taiwan.


Who are these 'many', and where are they saying this?
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mr.bojangles



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

happy to hear your hair came back!
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Travel Zen



Joined: 02 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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he has been attacked several times

Attacked? In Korea?

...maybe by the girls.... Rolling Eyes

I felt more threatened walking down the streets in China.
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Aristotle



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Don't want to say this is a paradise, by any means. However, there isn't a problem of random violence targeting foreigners here; at least there isn't to the degree there is in Korea, especially recently.

Many would speculate that the number of attacks against foreigners on Taiwan is significantly higher on Taiwan than in Korea.
The difference being that cases of attacks on Taiwan are seldom documented and even fewer make it into the news.
The police on Taiwan fight crime by pretending they don't see it then extorting money from criminals as a means of discouraging crime.

In general, foreigners on Taiwan and elsewhere tend not to show their money off and do not carry a lot of cash on them as opposed to the ethnic Chinese population on Taiwan who are obsessed with the correlation between perceived wealth and face. Most victims of violent crime are victims as a direct result of failing to take simple precautions.
Good luck.
A.
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nasigoreng



Joined: 20 Feb 2003
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Location: sailing the seas of cheese

PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After 2 years in Taiwan, I found S.Korea to be a breath of fresh air. Better environment. Better services to help foreign workers with disputes over employers. More scenery... Taiwan has the scenery too.... but there are just mobs of yelling,screaming,spitting chinese everywhere you go.

There is a lot more English services to help out foreigners like the free translation service in Taxi's (i've never used it, but It's a great idea), english assistance at Bus Terminals. Lots of brochures about the sights of korea in English and instructions on how to get there.

the one time i tried to follow a Taiwan tourist brochure i spent 2 hours looking for a tourism office in Downtown Kaoshiung. No one had a clue where it was and after arriving at the address, turns out the office didn't even exist after all.

For me, it's the people i meet and work with that make my time enjoyable or disappointing. if I had the same friends now when i lived in Taiwan..... I would probably consider Taiwan better.
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wood



Joined: 13 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I lived in Korea for three-plus years. It was great.

I lived in Japan for three-plus years. It was great.

I've been in Taiwan for nearly five years. Pretty
much, it's been great.

You've gotta do a thorough assessment about what
you're giving up and consider, seriously, what you are
getting. No matter where you go, you can't really
go wrong.

All the places are good choices. Which place
interests you the most? Are you going to study the
language? In that case, Korea (deceptively) might be
the best choice.
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buddy bradley



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're low on cash, Korea has the cheapest start-up costs.
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wood



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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2005 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

buddy bradley wrote:
If you're low on cash, Korea has the cheapest start-up costs.


Don't agree. I think Taiwan does.

Anyway, Japan is the most expensive. I've 'started up' in all three places.
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