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DerbyJohn



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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Location: Tokyo, Japan

PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 12:21 pm    Post subject: How to get a job travelling to business clients Reply with quote

Hi all

I shall be arriving in central Tokyo (Roppongi - spelling?) at the end of July and staying in my friend's apartment. I think I would like a job travelling around to business clients (not private, as I'm a newbie, but sent by a Japanese company - don't know what you call that kind of setup!). I know that'll be a hassle: travelling around a lot, but I'm used to that as a freelance ESOL teacher here in England, working out of the back of my car, and I figure it'll be a good way (if only until I get fed up of it!) to see more of Japan and the people.

Anyway, I'm 37, have a PGCE, business and ESOL training experience. Has anybody any ideas of what sort of employer I should be contacting, before I leave England, to try and get such a job?

Ta very much

John
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PAULH



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Location: Western Japan

PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 12:48 pm    Post subject: Re: How to get a job travelling to business clients Reply with quote

DerbyJohn wrote:
Hi all

I shall be arriving in central Tokyo (Roppongi - spelling?) at the end of July and staying in my friend's apartment. I think I would like a job travelling around to business clients (not private, as I'm a newbie, but sent by a Japanese company - don't know what you call that kind of setup!). I know that'll be a hassle: travelling around a lot, but I'm used to that as a freelance ESOL teacher here in England, working out of the back of my car, and I figure it'll be a good way (if only until I get fed up of it!) to see more of Japan and the people.

Anyway, I'm 37, have a PGCE, business and ESOL training experience. Has anybody any ideas of what sort of employer I should be contacting, before I leave England, to try and get such a job?

Ta very much

John


You sound like a job where you want to teach English at companies. Im not in Tokyo but the only companies I know of that send teachers to work in Japanese corporations are Time T.I, Interac and Simul Academy

http://www.simul.co.jp/en/academy/

There may be others.

I will also remind you that Tokyo is HUGE, with 10 million people bustling about, trains are crowded and it takes a long time to get anywhere. You will soon get sick of fighting your way across greater Tokyo with all the crowding etc. Whatever rows your boat though.

PS If you are working all the time, you may spend time meeting Japanese people but the chances of you getting out of Tokyo and into the countryside are remote. For most people its a toss-up between working and actually experiencing the culture and language and seeing what the rest of the country has to offer. Tokyo is not Japan and there is a lot of country to see out there, and you wont see it by running around Tokyo every day chasing teaching gigs.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derby John,
What sort of visa arrangements have you made? And, what are your qualifications? You can't just show up here without a visa and work.
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Celeste



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PGCE is a teaching license in the UK. He meets the degree requirements for a work visa with that.
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moot point



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Other companies involved in teaching business clients includes ALC, OTC, Kanda Gaigo.

If you decide to go that route I suggest making part-time contracts with numerous recruiting companies and then you will have more choices about which classes/assignments you wish to accept. I did it for awhile, and could piece together a decent schedule where I didn't have to spend much down time between classes and didn't need to ride on the trains all day long.

Your timing is a bit bad right now as April and May are the busiest times of the year. It would have been a good chance to get your foot into the door.
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DerbyJohn



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone for your advice so far.

Paulh, point taken about the size of Tokyo. I guess I'm hoping that an employer's clients won't be spread out too far across Tokyo. OK, probably niave! Do such employers pay for travelling time or just an enhanced rate for the actual contact time? Anyway, thanks for the link: I'll look at that later.

I understand about it being hard to see much of the country when working. Do you think this is more of a problem working for business clients than when working at an eikaiwa? If I understand things correctly, a typical eikaiwa teacher's schedule is from about midday or 1pm, to 9pm, which doesn't seem to give much time for getting about.

Glenski/Celeste, my quals. include a PGCE (for post-16 teaching only, not schoolchildren) and a BA (Hons) English, so am I ok to get a visa with these? I've just tried a link from the sticky FAQs re teaching in Japan (http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/visa) but it's not working.

Mootpoint, thanks for your advice. I presume you had been in Japan for some time before setting up your part-time contracts? Did you enjoy that kind of working?

My timing can't be changed, unfortunately, so I'll just have to get busy applying now so I can hit the ground running!

Thanks all
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I understand about it being hard to see much of the country when working. Do you think this is more of a problem working for business clients than when working at an eikaiwa? If I understand things correctly, a typical eikaiwa teacher's schedule is from about midday or 1pm, to 9pm, which doesn't seem to give much time for getting about.

Eikaiwa schedules meet those of their students. The same holds for businesspeople, so you would be teaching classes mostly at night and on weekends.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DerbyJohn wrote:
Thanks everyone for your advice so far.

Paulh, point taken about the size of Tokyo. I guess I'm hoping that an employer's clients won't be spread out too far across Tokyo. OK, probably niave! Do such employers pay for travelling time or just an enhanced rate for the actual contact time? Anyway, thanks for the link: I'll look at that later.l



In Japan you are not paid for the time you spend on the train, even if its 90 minutes each way. The company will pay for your commuting costs to get to the company i.e. the train fare but not the actual time you spend on the train as that is not considered 'work time'. You coul easily spend 3 or 4 hours a day in actual commuting time, with transfers.

Tokyo is actually made up of 23 independent wards and there are about twelve cities within Tokyo's boundaries.

http://gojapan.about.com/cs/japanmaps/l/bltokyoareamap.htm


DerbyJohn wrote:
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I understand about it being hard to see much of the country when working. Do you think this is more of a problem working for business clients than when working at an eikaiwa? If I understand things correctly, a typical eikaiwa teacher's schedule is from about midday or 1pm, to 9pm, which doesn't seem to give much time for getting about.
Thanks all


Employers are paying you to work, not to sightsee and a full time job will typically have you working or commuting 30-40 hours a week, mainly evenings or early mornings (before employees start work, usually) if you are teaching at companies. Outside work hours you may be socialising with other teachers (or students may ask you out for drinks), going out to bars, shopping, doing laundry and housework. It is possible to get out of Tokyo on weekends but travel within Japan, getting out of Tokyo is expensive, trains are usually crowded and you also have to think about hotel costs and the costs of train travel. The train to Kyoto by Shinkansen for instance is 11,000 yen or about $100 one way or $200 return, not including hotels. You could easily spend $500-600 on a weekend with car rental, hotel costs, food, gate fees etc.

I dont live in Tokyo, but there are many things you can do such as visit the mountains or an onsen, go skiing or visit temples etc. Everything in Japan costs money though, and you may only have one or two days to squeeze it all in.
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DerbyJohn



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:56 pm    Post subject: How to get a job travelling to business clients Reply with quote

Thanks for that, guys.

Glenski, thanks for filling me in on the typical sessions for business classes (evenings/weekends). I had assumed (wrongly) that these would take place in the workplace, during the day - Workbased Learning - and not outside of working hours.

PaulH, that sure is a lot of commuting time. I suppose the novelty would wear off VERY quickly! Thanks also for your other comments. All gratefully received!

John
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theoldman



Joined: 01 Nov 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 8:40 pm    Post subject: how to get a job travelling to business clients Reply with quote

DerbyJohn,

I have been working in Tokyo for 3 years and the last 2 have been spent putting together part time schedules with business dispatch companies and a private elementary school.

Depending on your location in Tokyo you can set yourself up with a number of companies and with a schedule that involves small amounts of travel time.

Of course to this you have to prove to the companies that you are reliable and professional. Some of the companies around Tokyo that have reasonable to very good reputations are JAL Academy, Forum Corporation, Simul Academy and Pheonix Associates. There are a number of smaller ones that also look for teachers regularly.

Most of these companies have web sites so this is a good place to start. As well they often advertise for teachers on the JobsinJapan website.

As has been previously mentioned most contracts are usually morning and evening during the week and occassionally weekends. The hours are usually from 1.5 to 3 hours, average 2. However, as you become better known you can pick up late morning and early afternoon classes as well.

These classes can be either group classes or man-to-man. The hourly pay is uaually about ¥4000 per hour, so if you get a regular schedule with one or a number of these companies iy is quite easy to earn over ¥340,000 a month for 20-25 hours teaching a week (mornings and evenings, no weekends) with down time during the day to study or whatever. Of course, there is the time spent travelling, and of course, preparing, but if you can get situated as close to the center of Tokyo as possible you can actually cut your travel down.

Because of my situation I am able to ride a bicycle to my three lessons a week (I have a full-time job now) so I also get to keep the travel allowance on top of the hourly rate. I think last year (when I was doing more hours) I made over ¥180,000 extra from this, a nice little bonus.

Anyway the point is you can make money teaching relatively decent hours (some experts say 25 is max), still have your weekends off, work the occassional intensive of a weekend for some extra cash, and meet in the main relatively motivated students from elementary to very high levels.

I hope this helps you.
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DerbyJohn



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi theoldman

Thanks very much for your reply. It is VERY helpful! Much appreciated.

John
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