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Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 1797
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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little more picky about the qualifications of the teachers they higher. and it sounds like et is too??
It would be great if that were true. But as you know demand for hourly paid illegals outstrips the supply of qualified teachers willing to accept this. |
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alterego

Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Posts: 104
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 4:14 am Post subject: |
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For what it's worth, I'd like to say a few things about my Orta 1 English teacher. About 20 years ago I was taught by a teacher whose idea of teaching consisted of singing us English songs. This guy was teaching at a kolej. Keep in mind that there were only a few kolejs ( plural) back then. Anyways, he'd bring his guitar to class and sing the whole hour. We didn't write a single sentence in our notebooks the whole time he taught us. And it wasn't a "conversational english" course either. Looking back, now that I am a teacher, I think he really didn't know how to teach and didn't have the adequate tools or training to teach English. His class was frustrating to all of us students and we all wished he'd cut the bs and actually teach us something, anything. Even though he left the next year, I feel like my whole year was wasted because of him... Just going down the memory lane.
What I'm trying to say is that from a student's pov, an English teacher without training and skills will be extremely frustrating. And an enormous waste of time and money. |
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31
Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 1797
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 5:55 am Post subject: |
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Exactly what I have been saying all along. It is 100% the fault of the employer for not checking references and qualifications and then not bothering to observe lessons and know what is going on. I assume your college didn`t give a toss and everyone loses, not just the students and parents but also the profession and eventually the college.
It is not only the native speakers who are bad. I worked with a Turkish teacher of English who taught a reading class 4 hours a weeks. I was the main course teacher. She would go into the class and cover the board with minute grammatical explanations which the students had to copy down. Any remaining time was spent in a grammar explanation in Turkish. No English in the class and no reading. She would pour forth in the teachers`room between cigarettes that she was a communicative teacher because she talked to the students. Completely over her head. |
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Otterman Ollie
Joined: 23 Feb 2004 Posts: 1067 Location: South Western Turkey
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:20 am Post subject: |
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31, In your op the question was asked would you give advise to someone like this ?
This is a no ,why allow more unqualified and inexperienced people into an industry already overloaded with the wrong type of "teacher". They only end up in jobs that are lowly paid because the owner of the schools are aware that these people will work for peanuts .
We who are here legally are devalued because of this practise and giving advice or the "reality" does not take away the damage these rookies do to us and our profession .
I come across too many of these and they give those of us who have to follow in their footsteps a lot of bad press we don't deserve . Keep them out . |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:24 am Post subject: |
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Keep those unprofessional scabs out ! Unless they pay youy a big enough bribe to make it worth your while ! |
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:43 am Post subject: |
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Agree with you completely Otterman Ollie. |
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31
Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 1797
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:47 am Post subject: |
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scot47 wrote: |
Keep those unprofessional scabs out ! Unless they pay youy a big enough bribe to make it worth your while ! |
Scott-Been to the new Geant in Dhahran yet? |
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scot47

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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 5:29 am Post subject: |
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I suffer from supermarket allergy. |
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whynotme
Joined: 07 Nov 2004 Posts: 728 Location: istanbul
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:08 am Post subject: |
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i think the qualified teacher idea differs for most of us...what do you mean with "qualified teacher"? a degree( public relations) and a TEFL certificate( 65 hours) i just laugh at it or a one month CELTA ( better than TEFL) or a native with a high school degree?
which one is more qualified? a guy with a degree in Linguistic but no TEFL or a guy with an economy degree and a 65 hour TEFL certificate ... |
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corall

Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 270 Location: istanbul, turkey
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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good question whynotme
- i can honestly say that i had never heard of a delta or celta until i came to turkey - not too common in canada or the us when i took my tesol - could be different now. my boss just recently told me that someone with my qualifications will find it difficult to get a job in a kolej (although she was willing to higher me in the first place and still keep me on staff for next year), my friends say differently.
let's also not forget the people that have years of experience with just a degree only - in korea and japan all you need is to be a native speaker and a degree holder to get a work visa... |
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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scot47 wrote: |
I suffer from supermarket allergy. |
That is a very rare condition here. |
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31
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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whynotme wrote: |
i think the qualified teacher idea differs for most of us...what do you mean with "qualified teacher"? a degree( public relations) and a TEFL certificate( 65 hours) i just laugh at it or a one month CELTA ( better than TEFL) or a native with a high school degree?
which one is more qualified? a guy with a degree in Linguistic but no TEFL or a guy with an economy degree and a 65 hour TEFL certificate ... |
What about someone who spent 4 years at a state uni, memorised large parts of Jane Eyre for a multiple choice test, graduated without ever having been assessed on their teaching? |
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31
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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Corall, please it is hire not higher. |
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whynotme
Joined: 07 Nov 2004 Posts: 728 Location: istanbul
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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31 wrote: |
What about someone who spent 4 years at a state uni, memorised large parts of Jane Eyre for a multiple choice test, graduated without ever having been assessed on their teaching? |
university,test,multiple choice,graduate,assest,teaching ...well with the data she/he can teach better than the economist. |
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corall

Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 270 Location: istanbul, turkey
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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oops my bad - thought it didn't look right.
whatever it's only a forum |
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