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killkenada
Joined: 08 May 2005 Posts: 2
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 9:10 pm Post subject: Shall I take Nova health insurance? |
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Off to Japan in June and don't know whether to use Nova insurance, or another company advice much appreciated.
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: Shall I take Nova health insurance? |
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killkenada wrote: |
Off to Japan in June and don't know whether to use Nova insurance, or another company advice much appreciated.
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The NOVA medical insurance (JMA) costs about 6,000 yen a month, and doesnt cover pre-existing medical conditions. They have been known not to pay out on some occasions.
The alternative is to get travel insurance from home until you get here and then enrol in the national health insurance (Shakai Hoken) which is cheap in the first year but is more expensive in the second year (10 times more expensive as premiums are based on income). Shakai Hoken is compulsory for all full time employees but so far NOVA does not cover its employees. You pay 30% of the bill when you go to the doctor as well as monthly premiums. |
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bucko2004
Joined: 17 Oct 2004 Posts: 31
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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I'm starting with Nova in July and have opted out of Nova insurance. Instead I've signed up with Interglobal. I chose the silver plan. All you have to do is fill out the form, find an internet cafe to fax the form to Japan, then mail the original form to them and they do the rest. Much cheaper and much better than JMA in my opinion. Check out www.globalhealth.jp/ |
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killkenada
Joined: 08 May 2005 Posts: 2
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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Do you have to have this Shakai Hoken as well as the Nova insurance?
Nova have not mentioned the Shakai Hoken to me! |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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killkenada wrote: |
Do you have to have this Shakai Hoken as well as the Nova insurance?
Nova have not mentioned the Shakai Hoken to me! |
NOVA is not obliged to tell you about it, as it means if you join, they are required to pay 50% of your health and insurance premiums. It is only 2,500 yen per month in the first year for health insurance and 25,000 yen in the second year, which means they have to come up up 12,000 yen every month on each and every employee enrolled. they get around this by classing you as part time, even though you work a 40-hour week. (they count only your teaching hours, not the hours you actually spend at work).
ON 4000 foreign employees that comes to about a milllion dollars a year in health insurance premiums they have to pay for. No wonder they dont tell you. It is required by law however to have proper health insurance if you are full time.
You have to specifically ask to be put on national health insurance (which includes pension premiums as well) or else they wont tell you about it. You are expected to find out yourself, which is what this board is for.
Its a long story but the government has woken up to the fact that NOVA and the big companies have been avoiding insurance payments and its like they will be faced with a huge bill soon.
In the past NOVA simply told people to get JMA but the unions have now told NOVA to put people on Shakai Hoken (Social Health Insurance). They wont do it unless you specifically request it.
PS the national pension is paid by all full time workers in Japan over the age of 25. You dont get anything unless you pay in for 25 years but if you are a foreigner you can get it refunded if you leave japan after 3 years.
NOVA will tell you its expensive but thats only because they have to pay 50%, and it cuts into their (very thin) profits. Believe it or not the company though very big, is swimming in red ink and cutting costs to stay afloat. Not paying health insurance is one way they do this. |
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inkansai
Joined: 18 Jan 2005 Posts: 39
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 1:10 am Post subject: |
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I think the above post confuses shakai hoken and kokumin kenko hoken
Shakai Hoken- is not calculated using your previous years income, so for the first year the premiums are not cheap! Shakai Hoken premiums are calculated on your salary for that particular month and are directly deducted from your salary
Kokumin Kenko Hoken (national health insurance)- is calculated by the city office using your previous financial year's income. thus the first year in japan is cheap!
However, if you work for a company and your contract exceeds the hurdle requirements for Shakai Hoken, they must automatically enrol you. The shakai hoken hurdle requirements state that part time workers must be enrolled when they work 75% of a full time employee. Regular working hours for a full time employee vary from company to company so there is no exact figure that can be quoted (except that it should be less than 40 hours). If your contract is for more than 30 working hours at a registered company (eg Nova) you are clearly elegible for shakai hoken and you must be automatically enrolled. The time between lessons is legal working time, you can not do what you want. |
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cevanne

Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 36 Location: Osaka, Japan
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 5:45 am Post subject: Part-time workers |
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[color=blue]I am currently working for NOVA part-time on a working holiday VISA. Can I use the national insurance as well? Or is there a better option than the JMA/national insurance for part-time workers?[/color] |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 7:44 am Post subject: Re: Part-time workers |
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cevanne wrote: |
I am currently working for NOVA part-time on a working holiday VISA. Can I use the national insurance as well? Or is there a better option than the JMA/national insurance for part-time workers? |
Those who are working part time can enrol in the Kokumin Hoken (national health insurance) while Shakai Hoken is for those who are employed full time by their company. According to the link below you can only enrol in Kokumin Hoken if you have lived in Japan for more than one year which would mean that people on one year working holiday visas would be ineligible to apply. NOVA will not cover part time workers in the national/shakai hoken etc though I dont know about JMA for part timers.
http://www.kcif.or.jp/en/benri/03_01.html
The best idea is to visit the social welfare office of the city hall where you live to see if you are eligible.
"Better" is a relative term as it depends on what you are looking for and what is important to you. Premiums? Ease of use? Things it covers?
The national health insurance covers all kinds of treatment, though a private insurance company may be better such as Global. You will be required to make payment up front with private plans and then seek a refund from the insurance company however. With NHI you only pay 30% at the doctors as well as monthly premiums. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 9:37 am Post subject: |
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April 12th, 2005
English schools face huge insurance probe
Government agency to investigate illegal non-enrollment of teachers in health, pension schemes
By BARRY BROPHY
The Social Insurance Agency is to investigate Japan's largest English-language teaching companies over a suspected failure to enroll their full-time foreign employees in the employees' pension and health insurance schemes.
Japan's largest "eikaiwa" chain, Nova, is already being probed by the Social Insurance Agency and could see itself slapped with a multibillion-yen bill for missed payments.
The agency has been investigating Nova since the end of March and expects to have its results at the end of May or beginning of June.
But Nova is not the only company in the ministry's sights.
"It's not just Nova that has been failing to enroll its employees. There are other large eikaiwa companies that are in a similar situation," says Noboru Sugiyama, deputy director of the Health Insurance Division of the Social Insurance Agency. Sugiyama is heading the Nova probe.
The failure of many companies to register employees in Japan's pension and health schemes is costing the government billions of yen a year in lost payments.
"We have had many requests to clarify and tighten the (pension/health) systems," he says, "and we will launch an investigation of the eikaiwa industry."
Non-enrollment of full-time employees is illegal in Japan, where the Health Insurance Law and Employees' Pension Law stipulate that companies must enroll all workers who have been in Japan for over two months in both the health insurance and pension systems, regardless of nationality.
Under these laws, the burden of payment is split between employer and employee, with each paying half the monthly premium amount.
The General Union in Osaka has estimated conservatively that Nova saves itself at least 1 billion yen annually in premium payments by not enrolling its teachers in the health insurance and pension schemes.
Nova policy demands that all new teachers have insurance before they arrive in Japan.
But foreign teachers who are employed by Nova have not been told in the past that enrollment in the Employees' Insurance System is compulsory and are instead offered private health insurance schemes, one of which -- Japan Medical Assistance -- is a Nova-group company.
The issue was brought to the the agency's attention after the union filed a complaint with the prosecutor's office in Osaka accusing Nova of failing to obey the law.
Nova has admitted that it does not automatically enroll its workers, even though all Nova teachers are employed on a one-year contract basis. Instead it says it lets its instructors join the health and pension schemes "when they wish to."
Nova declined repeated requests for an interview, and a list of questions e-mailed to the company's head office in Osaka last week went unanswered.
Although Sugiyama concedes that the Social Insurance Agency has had problems enforcing participation, a failure to enroll still constitutes a breach of the law.
"In the worst sense it's breaking the law," he says.
"When foreigners come to a country, of course it's a basic rule that they enter that country's social insurance system according to the law."
Under Japanese law, the employer, not the employee, is liable for punishment for failure to enroll or pay premiums.
And Sugiyama says the SIA cannot rule out hitting Nova with a hefty back bill.
"It's not impossible that there will be individual cases involving back payments, though the emphasis will be on what to do from now on."
"If there are people who should have originally enrolled, we will ask them to enroll."
Dennis Tesolat, of the General Union, says that under the law, Nova is obliged to enroll all full-time workers in the two schemes, irrespective of whether employees want it or not.
"It is 100 percent the responsibility of companies to enroll their employees," he says.
The point of lodging the complaint, says Tesolat, is not to see Nova punished in any way, however. "The purpose of this action is not to punish the companies but to make sure that the people who work for these companies are getting adequate health care. It is expensive; it doesn't offer the coverage it should, but it is better than not having it at all."
He also believes that eikaiwa employees may benefit in other ways from the investigation and subsequent enrollment in the system.
"This investigation could result in an increase in wages for teachers, since Nova may have trouble attracting new teachers if they don't raise wages in line with newly imposed premium payments."
Nova has claimed it is difficult to convince its teachers of the merits of joining the health and pension systems because of the short duration of most teachers' stays in Japan.
According to the union, Nova has some 5,000 foreign teachers that it has not enrolled in the health insurance and pension schemes. The union also estimates that some 4,500 Nova teachers have JMA insurance.
"Nova's position has been 'We know the teachers are eligible, but it's not necessary to enroll them. Furthermore, teachers don't want to join,' " says Dennis Tesolat. But Tesolat believes this is the inevitable result of a lack of information provided to teachers.
"If teachers get no information about the schemes, then of course they're not going to want to join them," he says.
But Tesolat says teachers he has spoken to have expressed their support for joining the system.
The Justice Ministry estimates that some 90 percent of foreign residents in Japan stay for three years or less. For eikaiwa teachers, however, that figure rises to between 96 and 97 percent, making it possible for most to get an almost full refund of their pension premiums.
Under Japan's Lump Sum Withdrawal Payment system, foreigners who have been paying into the pension scheme for at least six months and up to three years can get back 90 percent of premiums paid. There is no refund of health insurance payments.
Bob Tench, president of the Nova Union, says that Nova's failure to enroll its teachers while offering JMA insurance is irresponsible.
"This JMA insurance is only designed to 'patch you up and ship you home,' " he says. "JMA is travel insurance and should not be used for everyday health care.
"The government and the teachers are being ripped off," he says.
Moreover, the underwriters of the JMA scheme, Mitsui Sumitomo, have told the General Union that Nova suggested that all its teachers were part of the health and pension systems.
Mitsui Sumitomo also said that no resident of Japan can be offered JMA-type insurance unless already enrolled in the national system.
Additional reporting by Tony McNicol
March 3rd, 2005
NOVA not enrolling foreign instructors on social insurance
(Translation of Asahi Shimbun report on Nova breaking Shakai Hoken Law) �?�{��
Nova, the major English conversation school, (general headquarters: Osaka City) has not been enrolling their foreign instructors on the employees health insurance and pension scheme as required by law, it came to light on the 3rd.� Nova has admitted that there are employees who are not enrolled, but claimed that "foreigners who will go back to their own countries will not receive the pension in the future, therefore the present scheme has some problems," while the Ministry of Health and Welfare says "if this is true, it is a violation of the law which stipulates the obligation to enroll." The Social Insurance Agency is going to conduct an inquiry into this.
The General Union, a trade union that foreign teachers join (Osaka City), held a press conference to disclose the fact at the Osaka Judicial Press Club in Kita-ku, Osaka City on the same day.�The union is considering filing a complaint with the prosecutors' office for violation of the Health Insurance Law and Employees' Pension Law.
According to the union, Nova has approximately 5000 foreign teachers it has not enrolled on the health insurance and pension scheme.�While not informing the teachers that enrollment on to the scheme is compulsory at recruitment, they introduce overseas travel insurance by a Nova-group private insurance company, as a substitute for the health insurance.
The Health Insurance Law and Employees' Pension Law stipulate that the company should enroll full-time workers working for more than 2 months on the social insurance, regardless of their nationality.�Foreign teachers at Nova are normally employed on a one-year renewable contract, therefore, "they are eligible for enrollment," the union says.
When they are not enrolled, employees will not be able to receive sufficient compensation when they fall ill, nor receive the pension when they are old.�The Insurance Section of the Ministry of Health, Welfare and Labour points out that "if they are not enrolling those who are eligible, it is a problem."
Nova's publicity officer says that "the present scheme has problems for foreign workers.�It is necessary to design a system that suits the status quo." On the introduction of the private insurance, he described it as "a product suitable to foreigners who are not familiar with Japan, with introduction service for interpreters and medical institutions."
Robert Bisom, an instructor from the U.S. who attended the press conference, said, "if I had a sufficient explanation, I wouldn't have taken out the private policy the company presented.�It is sad that we are not enrolled on (the social insurance)." |
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cevanne

Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 36 Location: Osaka, Japan
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the tip on the website. After looking at the site, I think that working holidayers are not eligible for the national insurance as it says you have to be considered a resident for at least 12 months to apply. Does anyone know of a private company that is not too expensive and provides some good basic coverage. JMA (NOVA's provider) is about 6000 yen and up per month. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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Just saw this advertised in the Kansai Flea Market
Japanese health and disability insurance for expats from 46,000 yen for a years cover
http://www.x-pat.net/
Global Healthcare (this one is quite popular here)
http://www.globalhealth.jp/ |
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DoctorPayne

Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 72 Location: Some forest in Canada
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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I was just checking out that x-pat insurance website myself...Does anyone have anything to say about their plan, good or bad? It seems really cheap and almost in the too good to be true category. However, it does say that such things as earthquakes are not covered. Is this typical? I don't want to be hung out to dry if I get involved in an earthquake. It is Japan afterall. |
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joncharles
Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Posts: 132 Location: Beijing
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 1:27 am Post subject: |
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From the Japan Times Article:
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Non-enrollment of full-time employees is illegal in Japan, where the Health Insurance Law and Employees' Pension Law stipulate that companies must enroll all workers who have been in Japan for over two months in both the health insurance and pension systems, regardless of nationality.
Under these laws, the burden of payment is split between employer and employee, with each paying half the monthly premium amount.
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This is not told to most teachers at eikaiwa schools. The companies do not want to get stuck paying half. As the article states, it is not only NOVA or the other big schools not informing teachers that registering for the National Health and Pension plans is mandatory. So getting anything else (like GlobalHealth) could still have you getting tabbed to pay into the system eventually. IN that case you will be paying for two different health schemes. |
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