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Chris_Crossley
Joined: 26 Jun 2004
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Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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 Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 12:21 pm Post subject: Who doesn't? |
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| Zero Hero wrote: |
| Who exactly doesn't have a job and two degrees (in fact)? |
The vast majority of the world's population, I would think. |
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micheal jezersek
Joined: 14 Apr 2005
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Location: Salmon Arm B.C. Canada
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| Ok GambateBingBangBOOM I will look into that some more, but I have been out of school for 1 year now, and when I called the B.C. and Canada student loan people they said that I have to pay my previous loan off. |
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Babala
Joined: 28 Jan 2005
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Location: Henan
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OP,
I would really suggest finishing your degree and then consider teaching abroad. You need your degree to work legally in most countries. You also stated in another thread that you would be coming over with no money. This is just setting yourself for trouble. You should always have at least $2000 Canadian savings in case of emergencies. Also I don't mean to sound harsh but trying to get the government to pay for your TESOL course is very immature. If you really want to take the course, why not go out and get a job and earn the money yourself? |
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micheal jezersek
Joined: 14 Apr 2005
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Location: Salmon Arm B.C. Canada
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| Babala, the reason that I don't is because it is hard to find a job where I live and if I do I will only be making 8$ an hour. Fulltime work I will not leave me time to take the course. |
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cujobytes
Joined: 14 May 2004
Posts: 1031
Location: Zhuhai, (Sunny South) China.
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| Babala, the reason that I don't is because it is hard to find a job where I live and if I do I will only be making 8$ an hour. Fulltime work I will not leave me time to take the course. |
Then why don't you go and live somewhere else? somewhere you can get an earner. |
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Babala
Joined: 28 Jan 2005
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Location: Henan
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MJ,
If you can't afford to take the TESOL course, however will you afford your airfare, visa expenses, passport...? Do you realize that when the school says that they provide airfare that you are compensated usually 1/2 after 6 months and the other 1/2 after completion of your contract. I can't stress enough how important it is to have savings when you go overseas. Things happen, contracts can be broken, trouble arises. You need to have that security of your savings.
If you owe student loans, I highly doubt the Canadian gov't will be willing to pay for a TESOL course to help you leave the country. They will think you plan to skip out on your loans. Also I admit, I am also Canadian and I had to earn the money for mine, why should you get a free ride? |
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Doglover
Joined: 14 Dec 2004
Posts: 305
Location: Kansai
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| Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 6:57 am Post subject: |
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| Babala wrote: |
MJ,
If you can't afford to take the TESOL course, however will you afford your airfare, visa expenses, passport...? Do you realize that when the school says that they provide airfare that you are compensated usually 1/2 after 6 months and the other 1/2 after completion of your contract. I can't stress enough how important it is to have savings when you go overseas. Things happen, contracts can be broken, trouble arises. You need to have that security of your savings.
If you owe student loans, I highly doubt the Canadian gov't will be willing to pay for a TESOL course to help you leave the country. They will think you plan to skip out on your loans. Also I admit, I am also Canadian and I had to earn the money for mine, why should you get a free ride? |
you have also not considered what will happen to you if you get sick. Health insurance costs an arm and a leg, and if you get laid up in a foreign hospital with no insurance it will literally bankrupt you. Doctors can turn you away if you can not afford to pay for the treatment and you have no insurance.
Natioanl insurance here is cheap in the first year, but goes up to a whopping 10% of your salary in the second year or about $300 a month in the second year. Canadians need about $4000 as well as an airfare to tide them over when they first arrive here.
see the other thread by layla about trying to get work in foreign countries with no degree. Virtually all countries will be closed to you as you cant get a work visa for most full time jobs, and those that accept people with no degree pay basement wages. A full time teacher in China makes $500 a month not including airfares etc.
I can understand your urgency to get a job, but its also a case of not seeing the wood for the trees. Yes a degree takes time and money, you will be loaded with debt, but come over here with no degree you will lock yourself for years into a breadline, subsistent survival existence, where you live from pay check to pay check on Walmart (or less) wages. Add to that a country where you dont speak the language,the work rules and culture will be alien to you, there is no one to bail you out if you get sick or run out of money. Its no fun being stone broke in a foreign country.
If you have a degree at least, you can get a work visa, and get a basic minimum salary enough to fly home if need be. Most countries you can not even get a visa, if you have a TESOL certificate but no university degree, and you likely wont be able to afford anything except the most basic health insurance. Most people here had to work part time jobs during university, waiting tables and driving cabs. thats how we paid for college educations. Not relying on the government for handouts. Not only that the Canadian government will want its money back after you graduate, with interest. They wont give you more loans if you are still in school to get a TESOL certificate, when you still have money owing to them. |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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Location: Japan
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 12:35 am Post subject: |
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| micheal jezersek wrote: |
| Babala, the reason that I don't is because it is hard to find a job where I live and if I do I will only be making 8$ an hour. Fulltime work I will not leave me time to take the course. |
It's hard to find a job pretty much anywhere these days. People talk about the high number of jobs available in places like Toronto without considering the much higher number of people frantically looking for a job.
You can definately live on $8 an hour for at least a while (I did it for a year). You pretty much have to live in shared accomodations though, unless you still live with your parents or something, although that's shared accom as well, just a different kind. And you can slowly (very very slowly) pay back loans at that amount of money as well (depending on how much rent you are paying, how often you go out etc). So slowly that for a while, I worked a 45hour full time and a 25 hour part time job at the same time (7 days a week really isn't fun, especially when some of those 7 are 9 hours at the full time, followed by 4 or 5 at the part time) in order to speed it up. But that sped it up a lot.
It's true you wouldn't have the time to take the course for a while (or afford the course for a while either). But remember, Global is really only a few days (for many hundreds of dollars). You can wait a while, researching what it is you want to be able to do after the training, the requirements to doso, and what it is you will actually get out of individual courses. Then, if it's still definately what you want, you can take a weeks vacation time and do the course.
When I earlier said that you can definately get another student loan, I wasn't considering the fact that you are on government assistance right now. I'm pretty sure that has an effect on availability of student loans (as do things like whether or not you've completed your prior studies. Your posts make it sound like maybe you did not, assuming it wasn't student aid to finish high school). |
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