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mandu
Joined: 29 Jul 2004
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| i wear shorts, t-shirt and chuck taylors no matter what job |
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hilary
Joined: 19 Feb 2005
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Location: Kunming
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Is that Mandu as in Mandu Habib? Did they let you out? Could you have a go at John Howard now? And ZH, yes! I agree with you, wonder of wonders! Except for me it's not a tie, but high heels and a thick patina of makeup.
Roger, this kindergarten never ceases to surprise me with its double standards. Anthyp, my female co-teachers wear garments ranging from jeans and t-shirts to see-thru dresses. By the way chaps, pm me if you have primary teaching quals, are under 40 and somewhat effete (their prejudice, not mine) and would like to live in a mad castle, they need you. Weird frilly little princess numbers, often sleeveless with incredibly tight pants and wobbly high heels. As you North Americans say, go figure. |
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deezy
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Location: China and Australia
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Hmmmmm well, all the Chinese teachers working for the 'chain' of Chinese school I work within, are expected to wear a suit, which the company 'kindly' paid for...horrible polyester job. The Kinder teachers wear jeans. Definitely no bare arms for any of the staff while working (that includes the guys). Short sleeves okay but not sleeveless. I don't see a problem with that, although I sympathise with those of you working in extreme humid conditions.
When I taught at university in Melbourne I wore a suit, winter and summer (although the classrooms have aircon). My husband wears a suit when he teaches there, too. Personally I think it does make a difference what you wear. Not for the quality of your teaching, but the quality of the response from the students. |
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Old Dog
Joined: 22 Oct 2004
Posts: 564
Location: China
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 3:09 am Post subject: Affectations |
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I hate the casual affectations of second-rate university "lecturers". My mind is too much in the clouds of higher thought to be bothered with matters of dress! Quick! A "lecture". What smells least offensive? I'm off!
In matters of dress, "blend in" always seems the best rule to follow as far as I am concerned. One can flaunt one's foreign-ness, I guess, with bare skin, see-throughs, Jackie Howes and Bombay Bloomers - but to what effect? Probably not to a second contract.
There was a young NZ-er in this town not so long ago. He claimed not to be an enthusiast for discipline. Nor was he an enthusiast for sartorial elegance. The school "let him go" after one term. The black front tooth and the bedraggled, unkempt locks didn't help much either.
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hilary
Joined: 19 Feb 2005
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Location: Kunming
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 3:58 am Post subject: Re: Affectations |
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[quote="Old Dog"]I hate the casual affectations of second-rate university "lecturers". My mind is too much in the clouds of higher thought to be bothered with matters of dress!
Yeah, Einstein was a real fashion statement.
Quick! A "lecture". What smells least offensive? I'm off!
Off, you mean, or gone off? May be something to do with the ancient sweat-impregnated tailor made worsted suit and nylon shirt with Harvard tie that the "first rate" professors wear to class, OD!
In matters of dress, "blend in" always seems the best rule to follow as far as I am concerned. One can flaunt one's foreigness, I guess, with bare skin, see-throughs, Jackie Howes and Bombay Bloomers - but to what effect? Probably not to a second contract.
Precisely. To blend in in Guangdong would be to wear all of the above.
Interesting update: all the junior teachers, except FTs of course, have been 'ordered', as of today, to wear thick polyester black and yellow shirts and slacks. Not happy. The more senior ones are allowed to wear cool white cotton shirts. |
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mandu
Joined: 29 Jul 2004
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Location: china
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 4:17 am Post subject: |
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depending on what job you do I reckon just dress how you feel or dress for comfort.
the children like my kiss t-shirts and rolling stones t-shirts,I used to where this pantera and iron maiden t-shirt but a little over the top with that.
hey hilary mandu is korean
do you know me??? |
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hilary
Joined: 19 Feb 2005
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Location: Kunming
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 4:38 am Post subject: |
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Mandu Habib is an Australian citizen, and was until quite recently I think, languishing in Guantanamo Bay. They ended up releasing him for lack of substantial evidence. I think his name is Arabic. David Hicks, another Australian, is being held indefinitely, again with no evidence. I think they were both picked up in Afghanistan during the post-9/11 evenements.
And I think the whole thing about what to wear here is exactly the same as elsewhere. I agree, it all depends on what you do. If your workplace were a corporate fiefdom, then, probably, you would feel out of place in a Kiss t-shirt! |
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Zero Hero
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 6:11 am Post subject: Re: Affectations |
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| I hate the casual affectations of second-rate university "lecturers". |
I hate the casual affectations of third-rate English 'teachers' who work in developing countries in which anyone can get a job, even practically illiterate, non-degree holding, non-TEFL certificate holding, non-native speakers. When you can secure employment as a teacher of modern languages at a university in HK, 'Old Dog', then your comments may have some intrinsic value, but until then your words are but the ramblings of a down and out in China. To be quite frank, I doubt if you have the qualifications to become a student where I work, let alone to actually work there yourself.
I wear jeans, loafers, and a shirt as my employers � one of the universities in HK � are of the opinion that it is qualifications, experience, ability, and professionalism that are of the utmost importance, not one's (wholly superficial) attire. I would tend to agree. Indeed, in my view, the only people who need to dress up to teach are those that must pretend to be something they are not, viz., a teacher. Whatever clothes the likes of 'Old Dog' chooses to wear, it will still ultimately be a case of the Emperor�s clothes.
Anyone can put on a suit and tie, but not everyone wearing such clothing is necessarily a teacher. My students do not come to class to observe a cat walk parade, nor do they seek advice on dressing smartly. They come to learn a modern language or some descriptive structural linguistics. In fact, as a reader of the relevant literature, I am yet to see any work investigating (let alone concluding) that a teacher's clothing has any impact on the rate of a student's progress whatsoever. If I have overlooked any such work then perhaps you could be so kind as to furnish the forum with the appropriate references. I will not hold my breath, however.
My students would not be impressed by my donning a suit, for, as I say, anyone can wear suit. They are impressed by my qualifications, experience, and ability to teach in three separate languages, however. And, as stated above, my employers look for the ability to teach, not to put on a tie. Furthermore, they, along with my students, desire and expect me to be comfortable whilst teaching (the benefits of which have been documented).
Well, the dude abides. |
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Old Dog
Joined: 22 Oct 2004
Posts: 564
Location: China
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 7:27 am Post subject: Perish the thought |
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Oh, my God! Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa! ZH, did you think I was referring to you when I spoke of "second rate" academics and their affectations? Forgive me and perish the thought.
Though - just a thought - what insecurity lurks that unleashes such a defence? Such a noble beast has no need for this.
Anyway, I've got a seminar to lead with the Junior 1's. I must rush. Where's my academic gown?
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Mugato
Joined: 17 Oct 2004
Posts: 120
Location: Here and There
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i usually wear dungarees or action slacks with suspenders. i can easily hang my catheter on them. sometimes i even wear a t-shirt and shoes...
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