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jseens



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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 10:44 am    Post subject: Would you still choose teaching? Reply with quote

I'm sort of at a fork in the road when it comes to choosing a career path. I would like to hear from those of you who have some experience in the teaching field. Tell me...all things considered, would you still choose teaching as a career? And why?
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dmb



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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes because I enjoy it. (quite lucky I guess as I don't know what else I would do)
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 11:14 am    Post subject: Re: Would you still choose teaching? Reply with quote

jseens wrote:
I'm sort of at a fork in the road when it comes to choosing a career path. I would like to hear from those of you who have some experience in the teaching field. Tell me...all things considered, would you still choose teaching as a career? And why?


Yes becuase I have seen what people back home in professional occupations (lawyers, property developer, company men) have to do for a living, the stress, and I dont want to follow the crowd or be stuck in the ruts they get into.

Besides I enjoy what i do every day and see no reason to justify my job or career choice to anyone else.

Teaching is not for everybody, but i think you actually have to enjoy it to become relatively successful at it. Do what makes you happy and damn the consequences.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the freedom that it gives, when so often we can be tied down to unwanted responsilities. I can teach in practically any country I want and pick up and leave any time (just so long as I bring my wife, 2 kids, computers, books, clothes, toys.......) Laughing
After 10 years, I wouldn't trade it for anything. Can't believe I said that, must have caught me on a good day.

We always think what if..., but life is short, you may always regret it.
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basiltherat



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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

definitely. despite all the hassles ive had over the years in this gig, i'd choose it again simply because overall i enjoy it and essentially ... i know how to do it to the satisfaction of the people i teach .. and thats important.
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tedkarma



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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not only would I chose it again - I wish I had chosen it ten years earlier!

I love teaching - have taught EFL/ESL and business - doesn't matter as I enjoy the students.

Five total countries since 1989 - and a total change in my life. Of course, I feel a bit alienated with old friends back home when I don't know much about the latest TV shows . . .

I also think that I am quite a bit better off financially than I might have been back home - not to mention that I've had a life time of additional vacation time (I'm a university teacher).

If you are are going to persist - run, don't walk, and get yourself a master's degree so you can teach at university level (I know, I know - maybe NOT in Japan - but in most other countries in Asia you can). Not only will you make a bit more - you'll at least quadzipple (is that a word?) your vacation time. I've not had less than ten weeks off per year since 1992 - and often 4-5 months off per year. I think that will allow me to live a few extra years - and it will give you time to pursue other interests such as writing, websites, travel, family time, etc.
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jseens



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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonderful, keep these coming. To give you a bit more background on myself, I'm a Canadian with a B.A. and a B.Ed. degree. I spent one year teaching at a private elementary school in Mexico where I was teaching all subjects (not just English). I definitely miss the experience of being in a new place but don't think I miss teaching subjects like Math and Science. I think ESL may be where my future lies.

I asked a similar question on a forum made up primarily of teachers in the North American public school system and the responses have been the complete opposite of what I'm getting here. Almost everyone on the other forum said that they WOULDN'T choose teaching again. You all on the other hand seem so passionate about your love for teaching ESL.

Thanks for the input and keep sharing!
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jseens wrote:
WI asked a similar question on a forum made up primarily of teachers in the North American public school system and the responses have been the complete opposite of what I'm getting here. Almost everyone on the other forum said that they WOULDN'T choose teaching again. You all on the other hand seem so passionate about your love for teaching ESL.

Thanks for the input and keep sharing!


Teaching in a public elementary school in the US is not the same as teaching EFL in a foreign country with motivated students. Dont know about the US but over there they are dealing with all kinds of social problems, truancy, drugs, delinquency, large class sizes, unmotivated students. Kids pulling knives on you or getting shot at.

most of us are soaking up our respective foreign cultures, learning and experiencing foreign languages, have jobs of high social status in our countries and are reasonably well paid for what we do. I support a wife and 2 kids on my income. Add to that the foreign travel opportunities, the long vacations and the sense of fulfilment that you get from students who actually want to learn English and study from you and meet foreigners. Opportunities for professional advancement and personal growth are pretty good if you are willing to pay for it.
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thelmadatter



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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 2:55 pm    Post subject: totally Reply with quote

I totally agree with PAULH. There isnt enough money to convince me to teach in US public schools given the state that they are in now. However, if there was discipline, I wouldnt mind the lousy pay. But until we get back to standards and basic respect for teachers so that the kids KNOW that they need to behave and actually work for grades ... there is just no way I would leave my job here. I have a few kids with attitude here --- but the magic word is "few." Whereas in public schools in the States the kids run wild and any attempt at discipline and/or standards is met with accusations of "racism" "sexism" or any other kind of "ism" you can think of, just to get out of whatever is being tried to be imposed. Like the girl that was handcuffed in Florida. Yeah it looked bad on TV but you know what? Seeing how she was behaving ... if my son behaved like that, esp. if he was warned beforehand that this was going to happen "next time" (as she was, meaning that that wasn't the first time she was climbing on furniture and hitting teachers Shocked ) ... I would be more than happy to see the cops handcuff him for a while. It certainly had an effect on her - only then did she show any semblance of being sorry for what she did. Certainly all the PC tricks the teacher and principal tried were having absolutely no effect. Of course, since her mother and others are yelling racism, whatever lesson of respect she might have learned from the experience has gone out the window.
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ls650



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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I enjoy TEFL much more than my previous work (computer analyst). The only real concern I worry about is my long term financial well-being; in TEFL it's easy to make enough coin to cover your daily expenses, but saving funds for your old age is more of a challenge...

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Glenski



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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dont know about the US but over there they are dealing with all kinds of social problems, truancy, drugs, delinquency, large class sizes, unmotivated students.

And, Paul, as you know, here in Japan, we have social problems, truancy, delinquency, large class sizes and terribly unmotivated students (when it comes to learning English, anyway).

Don't paint such a rosy picture of the public school system.
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Cdaniels



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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 1:15 am    Post subject: Also at crossroads Reply with quote

I am also at a crossroads, thinking of getting my M.Ed. What's made me hesitate to become a US teacher is not only unmotivated, etc. students, but the lack of respect Parents and other Adults give to schoolteachers. Teaching has remarkably low social status in the US, which bothers me more than issues related to pay. I've heard that there's actually far more people graduating with Masters in Education degrees than teaching postitions, but public school teachers so often leave after the first few (couple of?) years that there's a net shortage of teachers in most of the country. The statistics are not very encouraging.
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Cdaniels



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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 1:26 am    Post subject: Restraining out-of-control children Reply with quote

Have you all been following the story of the five year old who was handcuffed by the St. Petersburg, FL, cops?
http://carib.us/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=170


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Gordon



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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 4:58 am    Post subject: Re: Restraining out-of-control children Reply with quote

Cdaniels wrote:
thelmadatter mentioned the schoolgirl who was handcuffed- One thing the media glossed over, is that although the girl had several previous behavioral problems, her mother had specifically instructed the school not to physically hold or restrain her daughter themselves, leaving them little other way of restraining her than handcuffs when she was in danger of hurting herself. Again it points to lack of respect on the part of parents and the community.


I have no idea what you two are talking about. Fortunately, we don't get much American news. Another benefit of being overseas, you don't hear the repetitiveness of the American media.
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What the video of the handcuffing did show was the mind-boggling incompetenece of both the teacher and the assistant principal.
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