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liza
Joined: 17 Jun 2004 Posts: 3 Location: Moscow
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 8:03 am Post subject: new job in Damascus |
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I've just been accepted for a British Council post in Damascus! (hurrah!). the teaching position seems great but i've got a few questions for teachers working in Syria.....
1. The safety issue. I'm not over paranoid but everyone says it's the next on the list to be bombed by the US, the lonely planet website was hardly a comfort as well talking about exercising extreme caution and US citizens being sent away and the suchlike.....I'm trying to be reasonable about it, but there are a few niggling doubts. Could anyone tell me what the real situation is?? (For the record, I live in Moscow and things can be a little tense here)
2. Women living in the Middle East. I've been reading some posts and they have been quite informative. I'm also aware that Damascus does have a substantial Christian population. I have travelled in Asia and Turkey on my own so I know how to deal with being hassled. I just want to hear experiences from women teachers about their day to day lives and how their students percieve them as a teacher.
3. The teaching side. How are Syrians as language learners? What sort of materials do they respond well to? Are they communicative ? What kind of specific language error do they make?
As a teacher, I try and make my lessons as communicative as possible and I'm very much into discovery methods. This has met with quite a good reaction with my students in Poland and Russia.
4. Lifestyle. I'll be coming to Damascus as a 31 year old single woman. I'm very independent and indeed I prefer to have quite a local lifestyle. is this possible? And despite my age, I still enjoy partying at the weekends. Although I know that I'm here to work, I still would like to know what teachers do at their weekends.
I hope my questions weren't too irritating.....
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QatarChic
Joined: 06 May 2005 Posts: 445 Location: Qatar
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 10:38 am Post subject: |
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I have never been (but would love to go there sometime) but mates (females)who lived/worked there told me that Syrians are a lot quieter than say Egyptians/Jordanians/Lebanese (who are very lively- I mean this in a positive way) and more reserved but they were also very friendly! Security wise- it's fine and they said it was a great country, lots of amazing sites to see, things to do- they never felt threatened in any ways- Sorry couldn't help anymore  |
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dmb

Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 11:25 am Post subject: |
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I have travelled in Asia and Turkey on my own so I know how to deal with being hassled. |
Did you travel in the South East of Turkey. I found Syria and their people to be very similar to say the people of Iskenderum, Mardin, etc. Very hospitable and welcoming. I speak as a male and have never had too much hassle from the local girls though. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 2:20 pm Post subject: Re: new job in Damascus |
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liza wrote: |
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1. The safety issue. (For the record, I live in Moscow and things can be a little tense here)
2. Women living in the Middle East. I just want to hear experiences from women teachers about their day to day lives and how their students percieve them as a teacher.
3. The teaching side. How are Syrians as language learners? Are they communicative ? What kind of specific language error do they make?
4. Lifestyle. I'll be coming to Damascus as a 31 year old single woman. I'm very independent and indeed I prefer to have quite a local lifestyle. is this possible? And despite my age, I still enjoy partying at the weekends.
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Hi Liza,
1. I think that you will very likely find that Damascus feels much safer and more secure than Moscow. I wouldn't worry about the US invading any time soon... but if you hear that a draft is being reinstated, start paying attention. But, since Syria has no oil, I suspect that the fools in DC are more interested in Iran.
2. I have only visited Damascus, not lived there. But I found it very friendly and safe. Not many people speak English, so French is very useful. I don't know French, but my limited Arabic usually got me through.
3. Arab learners tend to prefer traditional methods - memorization and regurgitation. I suspect that British Council has set materials that you will use and it is undoubtedly communicative since that seems to be their preferred methodology. I have always taught Academic English where we naturally worked on reading and writing, which are the weak spots for Arabic speakers. They are plenty talkative!! Error analysis is a big topic. The common things are that Arabic has no 'p' and thus they can not detect the difference between 'p and b.' Arabic doesn't have an indefinite article, so 'a and an' are a problem.
I have no idea what the 'discovery method' is, but Arabic speakers tend to focus on the right answer. The don't tend to want to discover it, if that is what this means. You will hear, 'but miss, what is the correct answer?'
4. I would suggest doing some reading on Islam and the cultures and Syrian history. There is a lot on this board or on the Lonely Planet Thorntree about travelers' experiences there currently. I'm not a nightlife kind of person, so I really couldn't speak with any authority on it in any country. Thorntree would be the place to find out about that. But, there is a lot to see in Syria and they have a cheap clean bus service to check out the whole country. Or visit Lebanon or Jordan. Hopefully basiltherat is reading and can tell you more as he has(is?) lived and taught thereabouts.
I think that you will have a fantastic time.
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basiltherat
Joined: 04 Oct 2003 Posts: 952
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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Damascus is great. If you dont pick up this opportunity, you may regret it. I have been here in Syria for over 3 years and have been treated with great respect. I have never felt threatened which has come as a surprise to me even now. The syrians are an hospitable people and their generosity is second to none. Whats more their sense of humour is also second to none.
Clearly, one has to use his common sense. Visiting border areas or discussing border matters is a sensitive issue and should avoid being discussed. Also in depth conversations regarding religion and s@xual matters should be avoided. I have spent time both in the steppe areas (east) and in damascus, where I am now. Desert region is short on recreation naturally but even there , i felt no hostility towards me.
In short, western media has a lot to be responsible for in making this country to look like its the most evil nation on earth. Absolute rubbish !
Females should have no problems. This is not Saudi. Women have as many rights as men and are treated as equals in Damascus where yul be. The Eastern provinces are slightly different though.
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It does, actually. Admittedly, its running out and the country cannot depend on it as much as before. Elf, Shell and the such are here. In fact, Im working with one of the largest oil n gas companies in Syria.
The British Council is fine. Nice building and top notch facilities. Ive been down to see them n theyre very hospitable and helpful. Pay is good as far as i know. Its hard work but rewarding I ve been told.
Syrians are great as students. Yes, theyre used to traditional methodologies but theyre quick to adapt.
Again, I have nothing negative to say about this place except the discipline on the roads.
Take this opportunity. You'll love this place.
BTW, In my opinion, the US wouldnt dare come in here. Europe would scream so load, you'd hear the echo here.
By all means, get views from others before taking the plunge, but i say ... go for it.
Americans are as welcome as any other people here.
While its not my particular scene, partying is fine here. Several (not loads) of drinking holes and nightclubs. One disco has recently opened up. News has it that it rocks ! Techno n stuff. This place is changing pretty fast it might one day be hard to keep up.
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I have no idea what the 'discovery method' is, but Arabic speakers tend to focus on the right answer. The don't tend to want to discover it, if that is what this means. You will hear, 'but miss, what is the correct answer?' |
not at all. Since I've been here, the students/trainees just love working out the answer. You treat them with respect n they will reciprocate.
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Basiltherat,
Do they export any oil or do they keep it all for their own use?
VS
(Did you ever teach much Academic reading? If I had $1 for every time I heard - 'but miss, what is the CORRECT answer?' - I could have retired years earlier. They never quite accepted that there could be more than one answer to an open ended question.) |
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basiltherat
Joined: 04 Oct 2003 Posts: 952
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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yep, well, certainly the amount of oil/gas it produces now would not warrant the US's interest in it. Actually news has it that Royal Dutch (Shell) cud be pulling out soon due to the unprofitability of remaining.
If US wanted access to - more - cheap oil,yes, Iran would certainly seem to be be their next 'tatget'. still, thats politics.
vs
ive pm-ed you with my other comments
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Basil... VS |
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kernow
Joined: 18 Apr 2005 Posts: 14 Location: Beirut
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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Hi, Liza
I've travelled to Damascus a few times since I've been in Lebanon and have had a great time every time. Obviously I was there as a visitor but certainly everyone was very welcoming. As a woman, I didn't exerience any problems, although people sometimes stare a bit, more out of curiosity than anything else.
The security issue always looks worse on CNN et al. The situation on the ground is very different.
Unlike VS, I found more people spoke English than French. Basil, what's your experience?
And, don't forget, if you can't find the weekend entertainment you're after in Damascus, Beirut, clubbing capital of the ME, is only a 2-hour, $10 taxi ride away! |
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basiltherat
Joined: 04 Oct 2003 Posts: 952
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 5:07 am Post subject: |
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yes. ive heard french spoken but i dont think its any more often spoken than english.
Learning English is very big thing here. its clearly going to be another country from where we will see a lot more postings on dave's say in 5 to 10 years time. demand for language training is high. im having to turn work down. ive decided that theres no way im gonna put myself thru more than 50 contact hours a week (now on 49).
getting back to the question, though, french is soon going to be a thing of the past here. the elderly may retain it but the great majority of youth have little interest.
btw, i think wat makes this city so attractive is the hill (mountain), Qassion at the foot of which damascus stands. for me, it must be the most attractive capital in the region. Amman is attractice due to its hilly location n ive yet to go to beirut but damascus will be difficult to beat.
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Brooks
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1369 Location: Sagamihara
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 6:37 am Post subject: |
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good luck Liz. At least the weather will be better than in Moscow.
And the food as well. I used to have good Syrian food when I was living in Morocco. |
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tjholmes

Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 2 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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Please could I ask your advice on working for Damascus Language Institute and your professional opinions on the following job offer which I've received � i.e. in the context of my having a B.A. (Ancient Near Eastern Languages), Cambridge CELTA and no teaching experience?
I�m dead keen to land my first teaching post and 2/3 years experience in the Levant or the Yemen. However, I'm worried that I've been offered this teaching post - following only e-mail correspondence and a really brief chat on the telephone with Mr.Maher Abul-Zahab, the school�s director.
Job Description:-
� Teaching 18+yrs students, three days a week: Sunday, Tuesday, and Thursday.
� Teaching Time: 5:00- 6:15pm | 6:30- 7:45pm | 8:00- 9:15pm
� TOTAL 12hrs 45 mins teaching time per week with 3 meetings per day x 3 days a week
� US$8 per meeting = total US$72 per week x 4 = US$288 per month.
� The school recommends that one should be able to "secure at least US$300 more teaching privately per month" and is able to "help you finding (sic!) students who require private tuition and who can pay US$12-13 per meeting, most of these are students preparing for the IELTS or the TOEFL". Accommodation is described as "you can find a nearby good flat of one bedroom at US$150 per month".
What I�m looking for:-
Though I have seven years work experience in other industries, my expectations for my first post as an inexperienced teacher aren�t high. I want some varied ELT experience (young learners & adults) under my belt with mind to having a little time to improve my Syrian/Yemeni colloquial Arabic and to acclimatise to El-Shami/San'ani society. Please share your wisdom!
Cheers, Tim Holmes.
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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tj
I have never heard of this place... hopefully Basiltherat is reading and perhaps he knows something.
You are not exactly going to get rich, but it sounds like a foot in the door. It will get you into the country, and pay most of your bills... maybe. (that is assuming you don't have financial obligations back home.) It will take a few months, but once you have picked up some private students, you should do fine.
This sounds like a perfect opportunity to improve your Arabic skills and get some experience to put on the CV. One thing you might check into is whether this employer is going to provide you with a work visa. And if not... what are the ramifications?
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basiltherat
Joined: 04 Oct 2003 Posts: 952
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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nope. havent heard of it but i will ask around. get back to you. and, yes, i absoltely concur with VS on those comments
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basiltherat
Joined: 04 Oct 2003 Posts: 952
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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no one ive spoken to seems to have heard of the place. has it just opened up, perhaps. maybe ask. will keep asking around though.
best
basil |
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