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[yellowbeanbrain]

Its run by an ex EF person and sounds ok but the scary thing was that I'd sent an inital query, followed by CV and cover letter and they immediately sent me back a contract.

Having never spoken to me I find this really rather strange - perhaps its normal, i'm new to all this so I just dont know.

Anyone -any advice? I've now got offers from EF and EIA and frankly, both are scaring me a bit!

Yellowbeanbrain

[ls650]

[blueboyguru]

Just because a school offers you a contract doesn't mean that they are bottom -end....well....how do you define "bottom-end". If a school has achieved "National Plus" status.....is it fair to bash it...as "bottom-end"....when most "EF's" have a few liberal "hipee-yipees"..with no degree....that just managed to pick up a "teaching certificate" along the way.

I agree with your assessment that it is difficult to attract Westerners to this hell hole of a place......but there are always a few of us...that are brave enough to take on the adventure.

[bulekampung]

to: yellowbeanbrain

Why having all the tralala before!!!...straight to the point....if contract and conditions is ok for....let's go next step...doens't mean you have the job...

next step...telephone interview....at least you already show me that you are confortable with the offer.


Why .... questions....interview....reply.....everything is fine...and last you decline the offer...

We go the other way around....this is what we offer.... if you are interested...let the best win the position..

take care

[TEAM_PAPUA]

The exact same thing happened to me a few weeks ago. The only thing he was concerned about was seeing the photo page of my passport:

another example of I'm white I'm qualified (I for one strongly disagree with this practice)


TEAM_PAPUA

[yellowbeanbrain]

Thanks for your responses. I have been informed that in some places it is normal to send the contract before an interview in order that questions can be raised well in advance of a potential job offer.

Thanks again

Yellowbeanbrain

[TEAM_PAPUA]

Yes, most schools will send a sample contract for your viewing pleasure - though some DO NOT.

T_P

[blueboyguru]

[quoanother example of I'm white I'm qualified (I for one strongly disagree with this practice)


TEAM_PAPUA
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Geez...team papua......that is beautiful......simply beautiful. I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony.....whoops that is an old coke commercial and also a pipe dream.

Where are you from TP ? Obviously not from the United States....where "minority candidates will be given great preference" or "females candidates are especially encouraged to apply".

The Bottom line: Life is not always fair TP.......I have no problem with Asian hiring policy. It is a business...it is their $...they should be able to hire whomever they deem the most appropriate for their goals. Maybe that doesn't click with your socialistic dogma. Maybe you like the fact that the National Football League (a private organization in the USA) has to interview at least one minority candidate for a head coaching position...whenever there is an opening. Do you like thta approach ?
If you do....please feel fre to fly on over the un-united States of America....where racism.....sexism.....gender discrimination.....sexual orientation discrimination and all other forms of basis...DON'T Exist !

Go for it TP.........we are all 100% behind you & your noble additude.[/quote]

[TEAM_PAPUA]

Please explain what you are talking about. My argument is that many schools are more interested in the color of your skin than qualifications/experience/professionalism.

When a school offers me a position of employment based on my production of a photograph over any questions regarding qualifications/experience it does make me wonder what the school's priorities are. Here in China there are many overseas Chinese attempting to secure teaching work but are unable to find decent positions because of the color of their skin - yet they are North American/UK citizens. I personally find this appalling - though you obviously do not feel the same.

Furthermore, this type of attitude further undermines the status of the foreign teacher (foreign expert) as s/he, the students, the school & society as a whole percieve the FT as a white talking face. Schools like this will hire anyone who 'looks the part' & will play the role for the lowest salary rergardless of qualifications, experience or expertise. It is because of such schools that the market is saturated with under-qualified teachers willing to accept these conditions, thus making conditions worse for real teachers.

Fortunately there are some school which do not operate in this way. This is fortunate for the students, the schools reputation & development, the teacher & the future of ESL/EFL as a decent career choice.

Why compare these practices to the US (I am not from the US) - why not find a suitable argument with which to support this racist hiring practice within the context of this schools operations & the context of Indonesia.

Or, why not simply say why you think this is acceptable?

[ls650]

[blueboyguru]

I agree with you TP ...for the most part. I don't beleive that racism si an aceptable form of behavior in a civilized society. My problem is that it has gone in hyper reverse in the US. It is basically unbeleivable that an ad in Asia can require peopel of only a certain skin color, age, religion....but on th other hand...where does it stop. Where is the perfect medium...the balance ?

I don't have the answer. I am not trying to stick it to you....I would love it if the world was a more harmonious place....than I wouldn't have to be worried about being blown to bits by some fanatical terrost.

[blueboyguru]

Yes..I agree that was a really stupid thing to say.....

I don't want racism in the world...I don't want to be harassed in Indonesia because I am...I don't want terroist blowing up children.....that does not amount to socialism.....my mistake...sometimes the agitation here is too much.....I end up venting when I should be thinking

My apologies

[Chester]

Pictures?
If it is a language school job, i usually send a pic of "Krusty the Clown".
mmmmmm whaaaa!

works everytime. get hired immediately, even get offered D.O.S. jobs.
"man..he looks good. Hire him immediately"!!!

for more "professional jobs, i send a pic of Gene Hackman, wearing a tweed jacket with leather elbow patches, smoking a pipe..indeed.

I'm too sexy for this site, too sexy for this site.........

[TEAM_PAPUA]

[Chester]

blueboyguru.
I agree with you 100%.
feel some consolation dude.

we take a lot of craph form the locals.
yes, its not a foreigner friendly place.
etc etc.

i have some neat postings coming up.

hope they make people laugh a bit.