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kozma
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 Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:39 am Post subject: Do I need a degree to teach english |
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| I have an office admin. certificate and a legal and realtime reporting certificate (court reporter) totalling three years college. These courses included business English classes, bootcamp grammar, and punctuation. If I take the four-week TEFL course, will that enable me to secure a teaching position overseas? |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 4:04 am Post subject: |
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What is your nationality and age, and what country were you thinking of working in?
In Japan, you cannot work as a teacher with those qualifications unless you are eligible for a working holiday visa (dependent on age and nationality). |
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dmb
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:08 am Post subject: |
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I'd guess Canadian. Same here for Turkey. To be legal you need a degree. however alot of teachers here are illegal and have been for years. |
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31
Joined: 21 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 12:16 pm Post subject: Illegal teflers |
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| True there are many ''teachers'' working illegally in Turkey but they end up working in the crappy language schools for an hourly wage. They get no social security, work permit, holiday pay, minimum salary and are universally treated with contempt by their employers. Sure some do ok and I know of at least one degreeless DOS who has been here for donkey`s years but the majority of unqualified ''teachers'' get disillusioned with the poor pay and conditions and having to do the visa run which is costly in terms of losing hours. I won`t say that the unqualified or underqualifed bring the profession down but if TEFL were a profession then professionals wouldn`t be suggesting you work illegally without a degree. |
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dmb
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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| if TEFL were a profession |
Are you saying it isn't a profession? |
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31
Joined: 21 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:09 pm Post subject: tefling |
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Well here is one definition of profession taken form my Oxford Pocket Learner`s Dictionary:
''An occupation, such as law, medicine, or engineering, that requires considerable training and specialized study. ''
Now does that sound like TEFL? |
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younggeorge
Joined: 15 Apr 2005
Posts: 350
Location: UAE
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: tefling |
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| 31 wrote: |
Well here is one definition of profession taken form my Oxford Pocket Learner`s Dictionary:
''An occupation, such as law, medicine, or engineering, that requires considerable training and specialized study. ''
Now does that sound like TEFL? |
if you're doing it properly, yes. But I take it your point is that TEFL in Turkey is done in a less conscientious "make-it-up-as-you-go-along, it pays the bar-bills" kind of way.
Well, the truth is obviously that it can be done both ways, but the point's been made many times that to make a professional living out of it, you have to get professional qualifications. I don't think we'd want lawyers, doctors and engineers to take the "make-it-up..." route, but luckily the consequences of unqualified TEFL-ing are not likely to be fatal. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Location: Western Japan
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: tefling |
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| 31 wrote: |
Well here is one definition of profession taken form my Oxford Pocket Learner`s Dictionary:
''An occupation, such as law, medicine, or engineering, that requires considerable training and specialized study. ''
Now does that sound like TEFL? |
In Japan we have full time TEFL teachers working at universities with Masters degrees and phDs, conducting academic research and publishing academic papers. TEFL is a full time profession if you want it to be.
Others are working in entry level teaching positions and have no more than a BA, some not even that. |
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31
Joined: 21 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| And every bar in Turkey is a gay bar IF YOU WANT IT TO BE. |
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Justin Trullinger
Joined: 28 Jan 2005
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Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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Really?? Hadn't heard that. But I know some friends of mine will be on the next flight to Turkey! LOL
Justin |
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