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scthroumpf_voyager
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 Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:49 pm Post subject: bachelor degree, is it enought? |
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| hey! just a quick question! most jobs ask for a degree of some sort! i have my french bachelor degree which is pretty much the same as the A levels in the uk, i believe. Is it enought? |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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For a TEFL job:
Yes, yes yes. But you will be overqualified for most TEFL jobs. |
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scthroumpf_voyager
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| what do u mean i'll be over qualified?? |
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31
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| You have a real degree. It is real, isn`t it? Then you will be better qualified than most teflers. |
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scthroumpf_voyager
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| ok! cool, i just thought that a bachelor degree wasnt' enought , some jobs ask for like 2 to 4 years university degree? |
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younggeorge
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| 31's been stuck in down-market Istanbul for a while! Yes, there are jobs that will take you with just a degree, but there are more - and better - that will need some kind of teaching qualification, preferably a CELTA. |
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31
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| younggeorge wrote: |
31's been stuck in down-market Istanbul for a while!
More than a while
Yes, there are jobs that will take you with just a degree, but there are more - and better - that will need some kind of teaching qualification, preferably a CELTA. |
Native speaker=TEFL job |
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denise
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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31--
True, but I would make one small addition:
native speaker with no BA=bad TEFL job (usually)
A BA and a certificate together make a good starting point.
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Justin Trullinger
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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I think we're having a little cross cultural vocabulary confusion. In the US, the UK, and many other places, a Bachelors Degree is a first level university qualification. But there are quite a few countries out there that use the same, or similar terms for the final qualification from secondary education. When the OP said that she or he has a French Bachelor Degree, equivalent to A levels in England, he or she is referring to a pre-university qualification. (A levels in England are also a secondary education qualification, and play a big role in university admissions.) The equivalent, in North American terms, to being a high school graduate, more or less.
When job adverts list a degree requirement, you can be sure it's a university degree they want, OP, so I don't think you're really there yet. But good luck.
Regards,
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scthroumpf_voyager
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| thank you Justin! yes, my "baccaleaureat" as we call it in france, is the equivalence to english A level. i do have it in philosophy, english, russian , economics, maths... so you'r telling me that this won't be enought? i'm passing my celta in august. is it really a big issue not to have a university degree? will that stop me in getting a job or even a visa? |
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ls650
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| scthroumpf_voyager wrote: |
| i'm passing my celta in august. is it really a big issue not to have a university degree? will that stop me in getting a job or even a visa? |
What kind of a job do you want? Do you want to be stuck teaching at a cheap little private language school in Jakarta, Beijing, or Istanbul? Or do you want to have a job that pays more than a minimal-level wage?
If you are just doing this for a lark and plan to return to university/further training in the future, then you can probably find an entry-level job that will pay your rent for a crappy little apartment and maybe even some beer money.
If you want something more than that, you're going to have to obtain further training and education. |
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31
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| denise wrote: |
31--
True, but I would make one small addition:
native speaker with no BA=bad TEFL job (usually)
I work for English Time which are a large chain of language ''schools'' in Istanbul and have a very agressive marketing and expansion policy. The demand for teachers, particularly, from September to June is such that nobody cares what qualifications you have got as long as you have a pulse. It is the same in TEFL everywhere. These so called good jobs are usually crap as well.
A BA and a certificate together make a good starting point.
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Um no. They just get you started on the povery stricken treadmill. |
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scthroumpf_voyager
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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I am planning on going around the world for the next 10 years or so! and i'm financing it my way by being a teacher which is something i really wanna do. i like teaching children best as i used to be a child coordinater but i think i'll make a fine adult teacher too. anyway i don't mind if i start of in a crappy job , u have to start somewhere, right? all i'm asking for is someadvice, my best mate is teaching in spain and as just his "Bac" and his celta. i'm 26, i've been a proffesionnal for 7 years and I'm currently running a restaurant in the london west end. i might be french but my english is top notch! i'm often mistaken as british.
what i am concerned about is that on the web all i seems to find are jobs for native speaker with a university degree.
i'm gonna get my celta and i have a lot of experience in training people and fitting in different cultures. what i wanna know is , am i gonna make it? cos' everyone on the forum ( except a rare few) is telling me otherwise without knowing all my fact. so now that you have then... a little help please! |
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ls650
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| scthroumpf_voyager wrote: |
| but my english is top notch! |
Er... I realize that when typing people often take shortcuts and type hurriedly, but if your posting is any example then your English is not top notch. I don't wish to be rude... and perhaps I am wrong about your English skills, but your post has many errors in grammar and usage.
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| i'm often mistaken as british. |
Geez, I'm sorry!  |
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scthroumpf_voyager
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| hmmm... that's not helping! is it? |
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