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Distance MA vs. In-Class MA

 
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Felix



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2003 10:46 am    Post subject: Distance MA vs. In-Class MA Reply with quote

One of these years I plan to get a masters in linguistics, TESOL, or TEFL and my question is: Does it look bad if you get one through a distance learning course? I'm looking for responses from people that got their MA through a distance learning course - would you do it that way again or not? and Why?

Thanks in advance, Felix
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Bertrand



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 2:22 am    Post subject: Re: Distance MA vs. In-Class MA Reply with quote

Felix wrote:
One of these years I plan to get a masters in linguistics, TESOL, or TEFL and my question is: Does it look bad if you get one through a distance learning course? I'm looking for responses from people that got their MA through a distance learning course - would you do it that way again or not? and Why?


I did my MA on campus, full-time, over the course of an academic year and I am glad that I did. It is an amazing amount of work (don't just think it is 'more of the same' stuff from your BA days!) and takes a lot of study (I did Language Acquisition at MA at Durham in the UK to follow on from my BA (Hons) in Language Studies (English and German) and Linguistics and it led on to my PhD). When I began applying for posts in Saudi and Hong Kong most employers REFUSED to even recognise part-time courses, off campus courses, and any other non-full-time, on campus study; there are just too many 'get your MA for 10 dollars in a week'-type courses out there. Take my advice: save some money and go and do it in one fell swoop. I would also take an MA in general linguistics. Forget those TEFL MAs; there are just too specialised and do not cover the range of general topics that you need to go over at this (still somewhat) basic level.
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Capergirl



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I plan to take my MA in TESOL through a distance course. The reason? I don't want (nor can I afford) to stop working long enough to do an in-class graduate degree. It is my understanding that distance MA's--when done through a reputable institution--are just as credible as on-site ones.
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Reesy



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something to think about. My employer (university in Japan) will not hire anyone who got their post graduate degree via distance learning. The argument is that these programs are not as "serious". They also prefer that employees have some kind of experience either as a TA or via a practicum component to their studies (if they did an MA in TESOL). I'm not here to defend this practice, I'm just telling you what the thinking is in my situation. I don't know how typical this feeling is elsewhere.

I can tell you that being on campus to do an MA, gives more opportunities to build experience and improve your CV, especially if you are relatively new to the field. As I mentioned, you can pick up TA work, teach in your university's intensive ESL program, and develop a lot more personal contacts. Close contact with profs and peers, also makes it easier to write papers that will be accepted to academic journals thereby beefing up your CV that way. All of these things will contribute to your getting the job you want after you graduate.

If at all possible, I would do the MA on campus. I finished my MA in Applied Language Studies in 12 months, so you don't have to take 2 years if you are willing to work hard.

Capergirl, I realize that this is impossible for many of us due to financial and personal circumstances. It also would be more difficult for you being in Nova Scotia. None of the unis out there offer a TESOL related MA do they? Anyway, good luck and choose your distance program carefully.
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Bertrand



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Capergirl wrote:
I plan to take my MA in TESOL through a distance course. The reason? I don't want (nor can I afford) to stop working long enough to do an in-class graduate degree. It is my understanding that distance MA's--when done through a reputable institution--are just as credible as on-site ones.


Yes, this is a common situation. Anyway, good luck with the course! Distance MAs are not recognised in CERTAIN states by CERTAIN institutions, as I said. So look around before singing up!
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Bertrand



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reesy is right here as regards the opportunities that open themselves up when you are on campus on a full-time basis. I really do think it is better to work for 3 or 4 years, save up, and then go and do an MA in one academic year. As I say, if you ever want to work in Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan, Middle East, etc., then you will have to have done ALL education full-time, on campus.
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Marcoregano



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few points...Capergirl is quite right....most of us simply can't afford the time out to do a full-time MA. If I had waited until I'd saved enough to do a full-time course I'd probably have retired b4 taking it!! Many reputable universities eg. Edinburgh, London, Manchester, Tasmania (don't laugh...that's where I'm doing mine!) offer reputable distance courses. Do you think that these universities don't recognise their own graduates?? Perhaps some picky employers are biased against those holding distance degrees, but I think they are few and diminishing. Remember also...it doesn't state on your certificate that it is a distance degree - in the case of most job applications I don't think it's an issue. It might be raised at interview...but by then a host of other variables comes into play.
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Sherri



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, there are many very good long distance masters out there. Just choose carefully. I have a friend who did the U of Birmingham MA long distance and is now working for a university in Tokyo. Birmingham treats its grads, on campus and off the same way, they get the same diploma when they finish--there is no mention of the course being done long distance.

An important point to consider is what kind of person you are, can you work alone, can you set your own deadlines and stay motivated? Some people need the support of attending classes regularly and some people can work on their own. It is better not to start a long distance degree unless you have a great deal of motivation and self-discipline.
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Wolf



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bertrand wrote:
Reesy is right here as regards the opportunities that open themselves up when you are on campus on a full-time basis. I really do think it is better to work for 3 or 4 years, save up, and then go and do an MA in one academic year. As I say, if you ever want to work in Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan, Middle East, etc., then you will have to have done ALL education full-time, on campus.


Check out the MA Ditance Learning program these guys offer:

http://www.cels.bham.ac.uk

Sorry I can't provide the exact link to the site, buy my computer and I are not on the best of speaking terms right now.

Long story short, the U of Burmingham insists that there is no difference in the quality of the Distance Learning program vs the full time one. What's more - the syllabus of both programs is essentially the same. IE it's the same program drawn out longer.

It takes 2 1/2 years and 7000 pounds our so ( plus time and cost required to attend week long seminars in the summer) to get this degree. I have never met a DOS/dean/boss who was more abreast on the true nature of DL programs than me. (Author's note, my experience is limited, but as I exsist I assume it's valid. Wink )

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My employer (university in Japan) will not hire anyone who got their post graduate degree via distance learning. The argument is that these programs are not as "serious".


If I had some prospective employer say to my face - without bothering to research this properly first - that my MA, which is the bloody identical program of study as the full time one (and as expensive and more time consuming) say this to my face.... I swear I would beat him to death. Wink

I'm in the same boat as Capegirl and Marcoregano. I cannot afford to do full time study on an MA now. Remember, that's tuition plus living expenses - possilby at the foriegn student level (Canada has some programs but not a lot.) And I've been accepted into a DL MA program. It would take me years to save enough to do it full time. In the meantime, I would never qualify for any job that needs an MA.

There's a Uni in Austrialia that offers a DL PhD. This goes back to my post about being a "qualified teacher." I made the assumption that a PhD - esp combined with some innate talent fo the job and some experience - would be the final word. Once again, if some blinker - wearing dean/DOS told me that me DL PhD was "not serious" (the dam thing looked like a lot of work to me), I would hire goons and have him publically flogged in Tianmen Square. Wink

Yes, I know that my opinions don't mean much if DOSs/deans the world over reject my grad studies. I still have the right to be peeved over it. Twisted Evil

PS I'm not going through Burmingham. Too pricey and can't afford the yearly trips to Japan/South Korea the program requires.... Embarassed Had I still been in Japan, would have been my first choice though....

Edit - Sherri's post wasn't there when I started typing (had buggered off to find the link informatin)! There are quite a few unis in the UK that offer these programs. Some in Oz. None (that I could find) from Canada ....
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with capergirl. I am also considering getting a Master's by Distance Learning and I'm looking at four schools in Australia. You have to take the same classes as if you were on campus. But, it's more fasible and flexible for me. I simply can't afford to take a year of and do my Master's. also, these schools give the same degree, there isn't anything on your degree or transcripts that say you did the course by DL.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since we're on the subject. Has anyone heard anyting about these Universities? They are all in Australia and offer DL Master's in either Education or TESOL.
Charles Sturt
University of New England
University of South Queensland
University of Queensland

All of them offer coursework Master's, but I want to know if there are research projects required for the classes.

Thanks!
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