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EnglishBrian
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| This thread's confirmed something I've been thinking for a while - I'm completely baffled by the North American degree system. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Location: Western Japan
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: discourged. |
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| mishuah wrote: |
WPerhaps I should continue supply teaching here in Canada and wait for a replacement contract.
By the way the B.Ed is not an undergraduate degree. |
How do you work that out? All Bachelors degrees are undergraduate degrees as you havent graduated yet, and a B.Ed is a Bachelor of Education. Masters degrees are postgraduate.
We are not discouraging, just realistic. Perhaps you would like us to tell you what you want to hear. I live and work in Japan and things are very tough for new teachers coming here now from oversupply of teachers/people wanting to teach here and falling numbers of students. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Location: Western Japan
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: discourged. |
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| mishuah wrote: |
Wow you people are very discouraging.
I was looking in areas of europe, central america, poland, and russia.
Perhaps I should continue supply teaching here in Canada and wait for a replacement contract.
By the way the B.Ed is not an undergraduate degree. |
To add insult to injury, most European and EU countries you need to have an EU passport to work there unless you have skills that are in short supply. A qualified teacher may be able to get a job if there are shortages but thats outside my expertise or area of knowledge.
I have heard Czech is very nice but salaries are quite low. |
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mishuah
Joined: 11 Jun 2005
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Location: Quebec, Canada
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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I will explain the degrees.
1) B.A. major in eductional studies. this is a three year undergraduate degree. (includes two practicums)
2)B. Ed. is a one year graduate degree which can only be obtained after having the undergradute degree.(includes one practicum) This is also what is required to have a teaching liecence in Canada.
I am sorry to hear that things are going badly in Japan. However, I was looking elsewhere anyway...
I guess I should just post my resume and see if I get any bites.... |
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mishuah
Joined: 11 Jun 2005
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Location: Quebec, Canada
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 9:10 pm Post subject: money |
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| As far as salaries go... i would be happy with anything above 28,000CDN a year. I would prefer to have accomedations included. Other than that, I would pretty much go anywhere (preferably the areas mentioned before but I am not too picky) |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Have you tried posting on the country forums?
(you are not supposed to put job wanted ads on Daves but people can give you advice on the best ways to hunt for jobs in those countries, what you need etc)
Good luck.
PS I do a lot of resume revision for people if you need some one to look at your CV. I mainly write for the Asian market though, not Europe. |
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mishuah
Joined: 11 Jun 2005
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Location: Quebec, Canada
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 9:33 pm Post subject: hum |
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| there isn't a place to post Cvs on here.... I must be confusing this site with a different one. I was sure i saw a board for that somewhere... |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: hum |
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| mishuah wrote: |
| there isn't a place to post Cvs on here.... I must be confusing this site with a different one. I was sure i saw a board for that somewhere... |
Go to the top of the page to "Post Your Resume" and follow the links. |
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stillnosheep
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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Mishuah, congrats on the BA and the upcoming B.Ed.
Travelling around the world teaching EFL can be great (sometimes  ).
Bad news:
Salaries for entry level positions in most of the countries that you mention are far below what you what you would like to be earning. Without EFL teaching experience or an MA in a related subject entry level positions are all that you are qualified for. Oh, and the fun countries often pay the least money (otherwise we would all be teaching in them).
Salaries in Latin America, Poland and Russia fall far below what you are expecting.
Unless you have some form of dual citizenship you are not eligible for a work visa to work in an EU nation. Illegal work is possible in some EU countries but salaries and conditions will reflect this.
Other news:
Some countries (eg China, Vietnam, Cambodia, parts of Africa) are crying out for EFL teachers, partly because salary levels are so very low on the whole.
Best salaries are in the Middle East. Employers there normally demand either an MA or a BA plus CELTA and experience for entry level positions, but it may be possible to get in on a BA plus B.Ed. Check out the forums.
The JET scheme still provides an OK salary for non-experienced teachers. You will be an Assistant Teacher co-teaching with a Japanese teacher present in the classroom. Accommodation is often subsidised. You must apply in your own country. The application process lasts (I believe) from September to April or May. Do a google and check out their website.
This may sound negative but it is reality. Of course if you have no debts nor need to earn a large salary there are many positions available in many countries. Your B.Ed gives you an edge. Even so I would recommend getting a Trinity/CELTA under your belt. The EFL teaching experience is invaluable. Don"t bother with the special offer/cut price TEFL teaching certificates you may see advertised (Prague comes to mind for some reason ). They are recognised by nobody except the schools, or chain of schools, that issue them.
If you are still interested check out the countries that interest you (as already advised by Paul) and dive in. Wear sunscreen. And beware of sharks. |
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mishuah
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 11:11 pm Post subject: just what I needed |
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Thank you for your post, it has provided a lot of information that I was needing.
You mentioned the middle east that might be a possibility...
I do have some student loan debt, which I hope to be able to save up and pay off....
I'll look into the middle east some more.... |
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Gordon
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:45 am Post subject: Re: just what I needed |
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| mishuah wrote: |
Thank you for your post, it has provided a lot of information that I was needing.
You mentioned the middle east that might be a possibility...
I do have some student loan debt, which I hope to be able to save up and pay off....
I'll look into the middle east some more.... |
Misuah, the Middle East is the one place you do not want to go without a masters. A few of the unis hire without a masters, but it seems 90% require a masters. The unis seem to be the only decent employers in the middle east too. No TEFL expereince is also a knock against you.
Without an EU passprt, Europe is also very difficult to work, of course not impossible. To be honest, your best places to work and save money with your qualifications are Korea, Japan and Taiwan.
When I posted earlier about degree requirements, I was speaking generally not specifically to you. |
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Gordon
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:46 am Post subject: Re: just what I needed |
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| mishuah wrote: |
Thank you for your post, it has provided a lot of information that I was needing.
You mentioned the middle east that might be a possibility...
I do have some student loan debt, which I hope to be able to save up and pay off....
I'll look into the middle east some more.... |
If you haven't already done so, post on the middle east forum. |
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Gordon
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:04 am Post subject: Re: really. |
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| mishuah wrote: |
| From what I have read and heard some people teach right out of highschool with not post-secondary education and no experience. So I am surprised that I would have a problem. |
I think this is a common falacy about TEFL is that anyone can do it and that it is filled with unqualified backpackers. I have worked with probably 500 teachers in 3 countries and every one of them had a degree. Many also had masters degree and some PhDs. Yes, some countries will let just about any white face teach, but you certainly won't save very much money there. |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:25 am Post subject: Re: really. |
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| Gordon wrote: |
| mishuah wrote: |
| From what I have read and heard some people teach right out of highschool with not post-secondary education and no experience. So I am surprised that I would have a problem. |
I think this is a common falacy about TEFL is that anyone can do it and that it is filled with unqualified backpackers. I have worked with probably 500 teachers in 3 countries and every one of them had a degree. Many also had masters degree and some PhDs. Yes, some countries will let just about any white face teach, but you certainly won't save very much money there. |
I will add that in some countries if you have a valid visa you can work without needing a degree. In Japan for instance, you can work with a spouse, dependent or a 6-month working holiday visa. None of which require a university degree. You must qualify for these visas, and being married is a condition of the first two.
You can work with no degree but they are generally jobs that no one else wants and they generally fall in the 'backpacker' category, where all they need is a white face and a pulse. Students know that you are not a real teacher and you get paid accordingly.
Korea and Taiwan require university degrees and though its theoretically possible to work in China, outside the big cities, China is very definitely third world. I have a friend working in Shanghai with a Chinese fiance and wants to get her out of there. Don't forget China despite all its appeal is a communist totalitarian country and capitalism and free enterprise is still a dirty word in many parts of the country. |
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dmb
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 8:55 am Post subject: |
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Or you could aim between the Middle East and Euro land. Try Turkey  |
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