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justme
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| You're more civilized so you need extra letters sometimes. |
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justme
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| Only since I've been in Turkey and they can't work out what math means... |
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whynotme
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:59 am Post subject: |
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Whynotme, do you really use Suggestopedia? What do you do with it? I could never quite get my head around that one, but after reading your post it suddenly struck me as a way to break up these upcoming dog days of summer school with the weaklings... |
i try to use it quite a lot ..i have a friend working here ...he is great a musical stuff and every week he worked with kids only 1 hour and at the end of the year there were 30 kids singing on the stage ( and good english)
".....................He gave each student a copy of the textbook, a long play consisting of several acts. He told the students in Japanese that he was going to read the first act in the textbook twice with classical music in the background. During the first reading; students would hear and follow the text in Japanese while referring to the English translation on the right side of the page. The first chapter was written both in Japanese and romanized characters so that beginners could read it.
The first reading started with the cheerful sounds of the Mozart's Fifth Violin Concerto. Before beginning to read, the teacher stood quietly, allowing the students to listen to the music until the opening musical passage ended. The teacher read slower than normal speed, but the reading itself was dynamic. His voice was very different from the one he used in normal speech. It sounded more like the voice of a poet .........."
have a look
http://www.gu.edu.au/school/lal/japanesemain/private.kaz.invitation.sp.html |
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justme
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Hmmm. I think my abysmal Turkish pronunciation would have them rolling in the aisles rather than relaxing and learning.
We studied a bit about this one during my MA-- I know it has some staunch followers, but I can't see my uni students sitting still for it. Also you're supposed to use recordings of music that are 60 beats/sec to mimic the resting heart rate, but it's really hard to find even adagios recorded at this rate since commercial producers think customers like their classical music a little snappier.
But the guy who invented it is interesting... |
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dmb
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for those wondering what justme and whynotme are talking about
http://www.onestopenglish.com/News/Magazine/Archive/suggesta.htm
I said on another thread about dogme. This is just another tool for the classroom.
What's happening people? we are talking about teaching. Is this the start of summer blues. You are already missing teaching so you start talking about it.
Now where's that Eastenders thread? |
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justme
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| I'm trying to justify my being here today by telling myself I'm doing 'research and preparation' for summer school, since apparently we didn't need to show up but no one told me. I figured I may as well hang out here awhile since I bothered to wake up and come all the way out here. Also I don't have Internet at home and there's nothing on TV. Also I just can't be bothered to get on another bus to a more interesting part of town to spend money on things I don't really want. And sometimes I remember that besides banging on about our crap thoughts and football and British actors I've never heard of and ET and things that are funny in Turkey, there are some interesting and experienced teachers on this forum who can save me from re-inventing the wheel. |
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dmb
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| British actors I've never heard of |
Which thead was that. Have I missed something? |
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dmb
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| there are some interesting and experienced teachers on this forum |
You're talking about 31 aren't you |
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justme
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:37 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, where is he anyway? |
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Baba Alex
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:55 am Post subject: |
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| That's one to ponder. which profession makes the best learner? Teachers are the worst. Currently my best learners are accountants! |
Some of my best students have been computer scientists (or whatever, not just people who are good at Office). I've found that some students who are very intelectual have big problems following grammer, maybe because they ask TOO many questions. I had a discussion with a bio-engineer last week about why some nouns are countable and some uncountable, he was trying to find some logic in it, which basically messed him up.
On a related note, has anyone else noticed a current trend to shift anyway from pure monolingual learning ? Current research is showing that an understanding of L1 and an ability to compare and contrast greatly improves the acquisition of L2. I have many students who swear blind that Turkish grammer is much simpler than English grammer. |
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justme
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| Baba Alex wrote: |
I've found that some students who are very intelectual have big problems following grammer, maybe because they ask TOO many questions. I had a discussion with a bio-engineer last week about why some nouns are countable and some uncountable, he was trying to find some logic in it, which basically messed him up.
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Yeah, my student who was by far the most intellectual and hard-working, and who was almost better at English than some of the teachers here, really bombed the multiple choice final exam, I think because he was fretting too much and over-thinking each answer...
And yes, computer programmers are usually pretty good.
And yes, lack of real knowledge about the L1 is a big problem for L2 learning. I discovered this myself trying to learn Spanish in the 8th grade... |
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dmb
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| Current research is showing that an understanding of L1 and an ability to compare and contrast greatly improves the acquisition of L2. |
So that means that teachers should be good language learners  I have to admit though when learning Turkish and using a grammar book I suppose things were made easier because I knew the terminology. That age old debate. Learning a language to learn a language. |
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Baba Alex
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| Current research is showing that an understanding of L1 and an ability to compare and contrast greatly improves the acquisition of L2. |
So that means that teachers should be good language learners I have to admit though when learning Turkish and using a grammar book I suppose things were made easier because I knew the terminology. That age old debate. Learning a language to learn a language. |
I think it's true actually, I use to be a complete spacker at languages untill I started tefling, now I can say 'N'aber' .
(Turkish is some much easier if you understand what grammer is) |
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whynotme
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| justme wrote: |
| Also I just can't be bothered to get on another bus to a more interesting part of town to spend money on things I don't really want. |
a different kind of woman ...she knows her weaknesses.  |
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