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Landlord locked our window...permanently!

 
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osakajojo



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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 9:31 am    Post subject: Landlord locked our window...permanently! Reply with quote

Our apartment complex we moved into are brand new-we moved in right after they were finished being built. One of the things I've really liked about our little apartment is that we have a window in our "loft"(the ceiling is only 88 cm or 35 inches high!!) that is nice to have open so that the breeze can come through. We have a window on the opposite wall too, above the back door, so it's been rather nice in this nice weather we've been having. The other day the management put an extra lock on it and didn't give us a key. We called later to get a key, thinking they had just forgot, and it turns out theyre not giving us one because somebody in the building peeped into the neighbors' apartment next to us and they complained. Isn't that crazy? Isn't it against fire code? Is there such thing as a fire code in Japan? I mean, I guess if there is a fire I could kick in the window. Why does the whole apartment complex have to suffer because of one peeping tom!? Is there anything else I can do?
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pick the lock and leave it unlocked. Use a hairpin. If they complain, tell them it is safer that way, which it is. You could always install a curtain to keep out any peeps. How will a closed window keep someone from seeing in, unless it is a frosted window.
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bearcat



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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. Pick the lock or dismantle it.

From the way you made it sound, I wonder if the land lord did the same to other's windows as well or yours only?

Not being able to open your own window does seem like it would be inviting some sorts of violations. You weren't even asked or told of the occurance prior either right? Sounds very fishy to me.
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osakajojo



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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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from the way you made it sound, I wonder if the land lord did the same to other's windows as well or yours only?

They did it to all 30 of them.
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You weren't even asked or told of the occurance prior either right?

A few weeks ago we got a letter:

Dear naninani apartments:
thank you for living in our apartments
now we are planning to put extra lock on the windows in the lofts for protecting privacy.(Japanese translation is a little tricky here)
We are going to visit you so please be present to allow us inside.
We won't charge you at all.
thank you for your understanding.

attached is another page with pictures of how to use the lock, with an extra part (that we don't have) that works as a key.

When my girlfriend called to complain, the management informed her that the apartments directly in front of us complained that they felt uncomfortable because our windows face theirs. Those apartments look like they have been there for decades so the tennants, who have been looking at a rice field for years are probably a bit upset and feel uneasy because our windows are facing theirs and we can see into theirs.
But they can see into ours as well, just as millions of other apartments and houses in Japan that have windows facing each other! That's the part I don't get.
Anyways, the "peeping tom" part I mentioned earlier was just my girlfriend's assumption-I didn't know that until after I posted.

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How will a closed window keep someone from seeing in, unless it is a frosted window.
Sorry, should have said that earlier- yes they are frosted.
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bearcat



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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you checked with other tenants to make sure they as well do not have these key pieces?

Is it like an allen wrench or handle type knob you fit in to open it? If it seems to be a standard part by the manufacturer of the lock and not a true key in the key sense, you might be able to "order" the part from the manufacturer.
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osakajojo



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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yea, it's a standard part and yes, all the neighbors are permanently locked too. We are probably the only ones raising a big stink over it. The management said worse case scenario they'll move us to another apartment complex nearby (but isn't brand new!!) if it's so unpleasant for us. Looks like the window will stay locked for good!
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still say pick it. Cool
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J.



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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 10:19 am    Post subject: Want to move? Reply with quote

Seems to me the landlord has broken the lease by changing the environment and subtracted value from your apartment. Perhaps you may have cause to break the lease if you want, or you could try asking for a rent reduction because of the extra inconvenience and cost you will have to bear in buying fans and or using more air conditioning. I don't know the law but you might check it out. Good luck.
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osakajojo



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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2005 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wink I picked it last week and it has stayed open every since.
Love that breeze!
by the way, it's a Leo Palace apartment.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2005 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

osakajojo wrote:
Wink I picked it last week and it has stayed open every since.
Love that breeze!
by the way, it's a Leo Palace apartment.


Attaboy! Laughing
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osakajojo



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, it has been one month since I reopened the window and the management has found out. they called and pleaded with us to shut it.
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bearcat



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More than that, I'd make sure you find a way to prevent him from putting another lock on it you cant pick.

Course there's a real down side to this that if there are any problems you need them to help out with, then they'll probably ignore it in the future.

The fact that a week later they discovered it makes me think something is strange that they'd be paying such close attention to the window(or the complaining neighbor.

If you discover its the people across the way who brought it to their attention, I'd poster up a picture of the young girl from the movie The Ring over the window so that every time they look out they get to see that.

Seriously, this has to be one of the more assinine things I've heard a landlord/neighbors complain about.
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JimDunlop2



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

osakajojo wrote:
well, it has been one month since I reopened the window and the management has found out. they called and pleaded with us to shut it.


Tell them to kindly get bent! If they don't like it they can evict your ass. HIGHLY unlikely. They would have to give you 6 months notice for starters... The landlord/tenant laws in Japan are designed to protect you, the tenant... It's very difficult to take action against rebellious tenants.

I'll try to find the exact wording of the law but it may take me some time... It's not as easy to come by as labor law on the Internet....
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osakajojo



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If they don't like it they can evict your ass. HIGHLY unlikely. They would have to give you 6 months notice for starters... The landlord/tenant laws in Japan are designed to protect you, the tenant... It's very difficult to take action against rebellious tenants.

I'll try to find the exact wording of the law but it may take me some time... It's not as easy to

Thanks, I'm very curious.
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The fact that a week later they discovered it makes me think something is strange that they'd be paying such close attention to the window(or the complaining neighbor.
it was actually about 5 weeks later!
placing a picture of the chick from Ring 2 is a great idea!!!HA! I am still laughing at that comment. What a wonderful idea! I would love to do that. hehe Laughing Laughing thanks for great advice


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