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GZ



Joined: 27 Jun 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 11:15 pm    Post subject: TW: Reply with quote

TW:
哈哈... Of course I know the true meaning of 狗眼看人低, but in this case, it is perfectly understandable to me for the following reasons:

1) Many private English training centers are profit-driven. They treat it as a business not a non-profit organization. In order to survive in a certain market, one must be competitive and capable of adapting changes. I don't know how it emerged, but the current ESL teaching market in China considers that having 'white faces' at a school is a basic requirement for a business' continuity. I am not saying that they would not hire local English teachers, but they've got to have some foreigners (non-Asian-the common way of defining 'foreigners' in China).

2) The labor laws in China are quiet different from the rest of the world. It seems like it is ok to say' we need a female, Caucasian, good looking, age from 22 to 32...' on a Chinese job ad in China. I will not be surprised or angry if a Chinese employer tells me that they are not going to hire me b/c I am not 'white', which I could be totally offended if it is happening in the USA.

I am in education b/c I love teaching, and it will be my lifelong career. My students' academic performance and happiness are far more important than anything else to me. Thus, I am not going to waste my 20-year- education and hard work for a profit-driven entity that does not care about its students and staff. Hopefully, I could find my place at a public school in the near future in GuangZhou or ShenZhen.

TW: How many years have you studied Chinese? I've found that you know many Chinese idioms, and have used them correctly in this forum. Laughing
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GZ



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 11:21 pm    Post subject: Babala Reply with quote

Babala:
Chinese American holds American passport. It makes me twice harder than native speakers-1)being non native speaker, 2) holding a foreign passport requires me to apply for visas to work and live in China ~_~


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GZ



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 11:41 pm    Post subject: Alex_P Reply with quote

CHEERS, Alex_P! Very Happy
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tw



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:11 am    Post subject: Re: TW: Reply with quote

GZ wrote:
TW: How many years have you studied Chinese? I've found that you know many Chinese idioms, and have used them correctly in this forum. Laughing


How many years? Eight years of Chinese, English, and Malay in school.

You refer to yourself as a non-native speaker. How many years did you spend living in USA? I was not born in Canada but I consider myself a native speaker. Not one FT in China didn't say that I had a "pure/perfect/neutral" (American) accent. Don't sell yourself short unless you still have a thick mainland accent. Otherwise, you have the Master's degree and the American passport. I take it that you were born in China? Well, I knew many other ABC's and CBC's who had difficulty in finding teaching jobs in China (and some were well-educated). More than half of the rejection e-mails I get are from people telling me that they want white faces only (or any face that didn't look Chinese) instead of about my education background. To think, I wanted to give something to the people who share the same ethnic background as I do, yet they look down on me because I look like one of them. How much more pathetic can it be? Even public schools have told me that. Chinese people discriminating oversea Chinese. What a joke!

Oh well, so much for trying to be nice and doing them a favour by teaching them English.


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Babala



Joined: 28 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GZ,
In the city where I am, there are 3 teachers who are Chinese-American who are teaching university. I think you might have more job offers and better options looking in Northern or Western China. Maybe Roger could clarify but I think the job market in Guangdong is quite competitive.
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cimarch



Joined: 12 Jun 2003
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Location: Dalian

PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And in general the places that actually want a teacher (not just someone to entertain the kids for a while until the 'real' Chinese teacher takes over) don't care about your ethnicity, just your ability.
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tw



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cimarch wrote:
And in general the places that actually want a teacher (not just someone to entertain the kids for a while until the 'real' Chinese teacher takes over) don't care about your ethnicity, just your ability.


I am very sure GZ and I are just dying to know where these schools exist.
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Alex_P



Joined: 23 Apr 2005
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Location: Hangzhou. Zheijiang, China

PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:26 am    Post subject: Redneck Comments Reply with quote

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