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Alex_P
Joined: 23 Apr 2005
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Location: Hangzhou. Zheijiang, China
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 Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:12 am Post subject: Completely Fallacious and Spurios Advice |
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| If I enter China with a tourist visa and stay at my Chinese friend's house, do I still need to go to the police department within 24 hours? |
Yes. |
Yes you SHOULD. I personally wouldn't bother if it's a short term stay. I often have friends stay with me from overnight up to a couple of weeks and we've never bothered with that. I've also stayed with friends and never bothered to register with the local law.
Having said said that, it is the law and there are always possible consequences. |
You are absolutely required to register yourself with the PSB as a foreigner whenever you reside at an abode than is not your own. If you are registered in Dalian, because you live in Dalian, for example, and you take a 48-hour trip to Hangzhou to visit friends, you are nonetheless expected to register yourself with the PSB in Hangzhou on a temporary basis. If you stay in hotel, the hotel does this automatically for you.
As things tighten up here in China, this is one portion of the law regarding to which particular attention is paid. If you do not register and if you are caught, the first time you will fined a hefy amount. If it appears on your record that this is a repetitive occurence, you will be fined...and you may be deported. At the least you will be taken into custody.
It's the law...and what places the foreigners above the law in China? This is an attitude that I do not understand. And compliance with this requirement is so easy. |
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tw
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:28 am Post subject: Re: Completely Fallacious and Spurios Advice |
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[quote="Alex_P]You are absolutely required to register yourself with the PSB as a foreigner whenever you reside at an abode than is not your own. If you are registered in Dalian, because you live in Dalian, for example, and you take a 48-hour trip to Hangzhou to visit friends, you are nonetheless expected to register yourself with the PSB in Hangzhou on a temporary basis. If you stay in hotel, the hotel does this automatically for you.[/quote]
I spent a few days in Qingdao last August and stayed in a former student's apartment but I never thought about needing to register with the PSB.  |
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cujobytes
Joined: 14 May 2004
Posts: 1031
Location: Zhuhai, (Sunny South) China.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 7:19 am Post subject: |
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Straw poll.
Who has visited a friend (Overnight or more) and not registered with the PSB. |
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Babala
Joined: 28 Jan 2005
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Location: Henan
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| Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| I have only once attempted to register with the PSB when visiting a friend. It was when I first came to China. We went down to the PSB station and told them that I was in the city for one night and they say...don't bother. We left and I never "bothered" to do it again. |
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Roger
Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 7:57 am Post subject: |
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Guang zhou would be correct, I�m responding just for the fun of it.
Guang zhou has two Chinese characters and so the city name in pin yin needs to be divided in two parts; the second part of the name is not capitalised.
Pedantic, maybe, but correct!
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No, that's not correct. It used to be, and still normally is, Guangzhou,.
The "Guangzhou Daily" is not the "Guang Zhou Daily".
We do not need to separate syllables and cause confusion; we know Guangzhou and we know Beijing aka Peking; nobody ever spelled it "Pe King".
I do not see why we should mark boundaries between syllables; the CHinese language wouldn't lose much respect or comprehensibility if it adopted a consistent spelling style separating names and words but not syllables. We do not s e p a r a t e each letter either, do we? And we do not spell "Chi Na", do we? |
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Volodiya
Joined: 03 May 2004
Posts: 1025
Location: Somewhere, out there
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| Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:07 am Post subject: |
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Nice post, Alex_P.
GZ wrote:
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| If I enter China with a tourist visa and stay at my Chinese friend's house, do I still need to go to the police department within 24 hours? |
If your friend's house were your first stop in China, it would be very important to register because it would be so easy to see that you hadn't. For example, you fly in on the 13th and stay the first six days at a friends house; then check into a hotel, or register yourself at another locale- there would be a six day gap, easily noticed.
In these other cases posters have mentioned, such as staying over at a friends house in the same city, there would be continuous registration at their abode- no gap- less chance of a problem arising.
However, as Alex_P pointed out, because of the law, were something to happen while you were at a friend's house in another city which involved the police- an accident, for example- they would want to know where you were registered and might feel obliged to impose a fine for your failure to register your stay.
Finally, it really is easy to do, if you just know where the police station for your district is....
Barbala wrote:
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| We went down to the PSB station and told them that I was in the city for one night and they say...don't bother. |
The police can be human, too. We sometimes forget that.... Appears they didn't want to be bothered, either, for a one day stay.
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Zero Hero
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:13 am Post subject: |
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'Roger' things are much more complicated than that. No one would write 'Chi na' as 'China' is a free morpheme in English. But this breaks down when attempting to transcribe Chinese (and there are also problems with this in English). See the introduction to this problem recently re-posted by 'Horizontal Hero' at:
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=25847 |
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Roger
Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:14 am Post subject: |
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I love how these threads get WAY out of whack due to minor quibbles. But I learned something new about the Chinese language thanks to the OP.
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| This has much to do with socialism and scarcity of lodgings available |
An aside to Roger: Rog, I've stood by your side on a few issues raised on this board (remember the brouhaha over classroom attendance - - ah, fun times) and many times, it seems like you've got your sh*t together when dispensing advice. However, there are also many times when you are jumping down someone's throat for (seemingly) no reason at all. I've noticed this trend more and more in the last 3 or 4 months (as have some other posters, I'm sure). Now, I know I don't like criticism (unless it's constructive and professional, naturally), so I'm not sure why you'd respond to this thread in the manner which you did. Although I've only been here 2 years, I can understand the frustrations that you may have with "newbies" and their problems and questions - - especially when we "long-timers" have seen these same inquiries time and again. But I've tried the search function myself and, quite frankly, it has me bamboozled. I get a lot of unwanted threads and often don't find what I'm looking for, so I don't really bother with it too much any longer. I may well be guilty of repeating threads and ideas, so sorry about that everyone. There's nothing wrong with sarcastic advice on a day when you're not feeling too sociable, but balancing it with some levity or some REAL advice can go a long way. Just my two cents. |
Thank you for your support in this thread, and I also took note of the criticisms from everybody - deserved or otherwise, without bitterness.
Maybe my - admittedly pedantic - rejoinder about the spelling was over the top; it does rile me, though, that we see ever more individualised ways of spelling names when a few years before it seemed everything was under control, with no such eyebrow-raising aberrations as capital letters inside names or words, or Chinese names and words divided up into their constituent parts. I hope we find back to a more uniform kind of Romanisation.
It is also true that over the years my students have shown a remarkable imperviousness to my criticisms of their English writing: not knowing that a new sentence must begin with a capital inital, or that names must have capital initials. Most won't even write "china" with a capital 'C'; have the standars in CHinese schools plummeted that much???
Some write their name as "zhuzemin", others write "zeminzhu" (honestly, there is a hell of a lot of confusion - ask them which is their SURNAME and which is their GIVEN name - they can't answer because they would refer to their surname as "first" (sic!) name but don't know what their given name is called in ENglish... If you see CHinglish translations of CHinese name cards you occasionally come across "WeiZeMinPRofessorofEnglishdepartmentatuniversityofGUangDong".
And finally, was I being too abrasive in dispensing my answer?
I would feel sorry if that was the case; I do admit that upon seeing "tourist" in the original poster's query I felt I had to answer in as concise a way as possible. Tourists don't normally have the questions - and problems - we have.
No real offence intended but, yes, I was answering in a manner designed to forestall further escalation of the post, and it did the opposite. |
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lowes13
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Posts: 56
Location: Jiangsu
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| Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:56 am Post subject: |
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Roger,
You�ve been working in this country far longer than I and I presume your Chinese is at a far more advanced stage than mine; no issue there.
In my humble opinion the separation of syllables is correct!
We should separate the syllables when writing a Chinese word in Pin yin so that the various tones are easily distinguished or am I completely wrong here. Guang zhou has 2 characters and these characters are separated, right, therefore when writing Pin yin we should also separate. When I walk around I invariably see Pin yin written in this separated format and when I correspond with Zhong guo ren they adopt the same style.
If I�m wrong so be it, nobody dies or gets hurt right!
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Midlothian Mapleheart
Joined: 26 May 2005
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Location: Elsewhere
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| Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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Edited to remove offensive content.
Middy
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Alex_P
Joined: 23 Apr 2005
Posts: 174
Location: Hangzhou. Zheijiang, China
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| Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 3:07 pm Post subject: Greetings to Your Mother |
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In terms of spelling, I find the Chinese use sometimes confusing. The street names on street signs have all the words together (i.e. Lujiazui, Pudong Lu), but at the subway the stops are written separately (i.e. Dong Chang Road). What's a poor laowai to do? I usually just write them together now without breaks or capitalization. Maybe the Chinese prefer to write 'china' because they don't like being 'capitalists'. 
More pressing, and to the topic: My mom is coming to visit from Canada in the fall. She'll be staying here in Shanghai (Shang Hai?) for 2 weeks. I'd really like her to be able to stay at my apt. and save on the hotel. Can she do this? Do I have to drag her down to the PSB shop and register her? Will they give me any static? Anybody have any experience with this?
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Midlothian,
I hope that your mother has a safe trip over to China. Before she arrives, inquiry as to where the local PSB office is for Exit and Entry of Foreigners and Registration (a rough translation thereof). They are usually in some out-of-the-way alleyway. When your mother arrives, take a good Chinese friend with you, your mother in tow, her passport, and register her. The PSB will know what to do. They may ask some minor questions like "for how long", "with whom", etc. The process may take 15-20 minutes at most. These Entry/Exit PSB Offices work only Monday through Friday and should your mother arrive on a Friday afternoon or a week-end, the 24-hour rule is stayed until on Monday. Likewise, should arrive during the National Day Celebrations in October and the government offices are closed, the 24-hour period is stayed until the first normal day of business after her arrival.
Anymore question, please let me know. |
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Midlothian Mapleheart
Joined: 26 May 2005
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Location: Elsewhere
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| Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Middy
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Alex_P
Joined: 23 Apr 2005
Posts: 174
Location: Hangzhou. Zheijiang, China
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| Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 4:11 pm Post subject: En Provenance du Canada |
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| Midlothian Mapleheart wrote: |
Thanks Alex.
My mom's arriving Oct. 1, so I guess we'll have a bit of a grace period. I know where the local PSB office is, having lived here for a couple of years. It is, as you say, well hidden in a small alleyway off a secondary street. I don't know how she'll cope after years in a small Canadian town.
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Midlothian,
Yes you will have a grace of several days, actually. But you will need to check ahead of time to determine which days your local PSB Exit/Entry police are open and closed. I don't want to cause you a problem by telling that they are surely closed when they will be surely opened.
The weather in Shanghai in October can be quite lovely. Actually, it's one of my favorite times of the year after the summer furnace. I'm getting off track but I would take her on a tour of the old French Concession, I would take her on a tour of what's left of the old International Concession, plus the Shanghai Opera House, etc., etc. There are some extremely beautiful functioning Catholic churches in Shanghai that she may also wish to visit plus the charm of Shanghai itself -- the hustle, the bustle.
I would NOT take her on the Shanghai metro at first unless you want to cause her an endless case of culture shock as she gets jostled into the cars by the crowds.
I forgot one important item -- please don't loose the white registration slip that the Exit/Entry PSB will give your mother.
Any questions, please ask. |
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