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molly farquharson



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Location: istanbul

PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 2:05 pm    Post subject: for your information Reply with quote

PROGRAM DESCRIPTION

INTERLINK Language Center at The University of North Carolina at
Greensboro provides a student-centered, intensive English language
program, with cross-cultural and academic emphasis, to selected students
and professionals. A dedicated and competent faculty and staff contribute
many hours to ensuring a serious and supportive atmosphere in which
students can achieve their language proficiency goals in the shortest
possible time. The five-level curriculum (lower intermediate to
advanced), integrates formal and non-formal, in- and out-of-class learning
experiences.

RESPONSIBILITIES

Teaching in all skill areas (full-time teachers teach 23 hours per week);
testing, interviewing, and placing students at the beginning of terms;
meetings with students; participating in weekly staff meetings and
occasional student activities; arranging experiential learning activities
for students; contributing actively in annual staff retreat and in other
work-related meetings (e.g., accreditation or curriculum discussions).

REQUIREMENTS AND QUALIFICATIONS

Genuine commitment to students, teaching, and the profession; M.A. in ESOL
or related field; two years or more of experience with university-bound
students in a U.S. IEP; strong interest in cross-cultural training;
familiarity with innovative approaches to language teaching. Overseas
teaching experience, Peace Corps experience, and fluency in a second
language also preferred.

BENEFITS

Life and medical insurance plan (no dental); support for attendance at
local TESOL and when presenting at regional TESOL conferences; supportive,
stimulating colleagues. Salary commensurate with qualifications ($24,000
- $28,000).

This is what the market is in the US.
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dmb



Joined: 12 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Molly can you clarify for the stupid, in this case me. Are you saying this is a good deal or a bad deal. You can get better deals in Istanbul, so i am guessing the latter.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:48 pm    Post subject: For your information Reply with quote

This is what the market is in Istanbul

When I started at Language School X I was scheduled for 40 hours of teaching. I was not given my course materials until the day of the lesson. I was given additional courses to teach at a moments notice by means of a small pen-written note with an ironic smiley face scribbled on it. I worked from 9 in the morning until after 10 p.m. during the weekdays but only 9 until late afternoon during the weekends. I planned my lessons between 12 and 4 in the morning.

After 4 months of a 6 month 'contract', I needed to leave. When I informed the 'education manager' that I was leaving, she referred to some non-existent clause on my contract stating that if you quit you dont get your previous month's salary (which was over 800 ytl = around 600 dollars).

But because I was working illegally anyway, what right did I have to complain. I'm lucky I got any money from them, I suppose.

As far as Istanbul is concerned, I never suffered any physical violence, however, if you are looking for a REAL job teaching English, you won't find on at a language school in Istanbul. They are all operating illegally, ie. in the way described above.

Ex Language School X teacher Jan 2005
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dmb



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

molly was talking about a university position, not a language school.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. Interlink are a chain of language schools and have a number of locations. Some of them are located on the campuses of some universities but they are privately owned. It is not a university position it is a language school position, hence the poor pay.

I suppose she posted this job ad assumng that we would all recognise the poor pay and feel better about what the Crime are offering.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry then. I was fooled by the University of North Carolina bit and asumed it was.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure you were fooled. That is why they do it, to fool students not teachers. Do you really think a real university would have an EFL unit called Interlink? Of course nowhere does it say that it is part of the university, just you can use some of their facilities.

They are starting to do that in the UK now. Language schools get the right to con students into thinking that they are attending a uni by having a school based on the campus. The uni gets the rent and the lang school gets to employ teachers cheaply without having to stick to union/uni rates and pay.

It is like The Crime pretending that they have schools in London and Toronto.
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molly farquharson



Joined: 16 Jun 2004
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Location: istanbul

PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry i was in a hurry when i posted it, so no explanation. This is probably the average wage for language schools in the US. It is much lower than if a teachers works for a community college, but about the same for most univs. I guess my point was that this particular post is not any less in salary, though their benefits are better.

For the record, ET does indeed have branches in London and Toronto. They are small but operating.

As for the other stuff, get off the whine wagon you know who. Everyone is sick of it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Molly,I have vague memories of ET having some sort of connection with schools in Malta. I think they ran summer schools or something. Does this still happen?
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molly farquharson



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

for a year or so when i was not there, ET offered a week in Malta at a language school as a perk for signing up. i'm sorry I wasn't able to take advantage of it Crying or Very sad that is way history now.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was there at the time and asked if i could get transferred there. I tried to tell the then Director that they needed someone to run training courses, do observations, etc. But my cunning plan fell on deaf ears Sad
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strange that when I googled esl uni jobs in America the first one I saw only wants a Masters and pays more than what the OP said. I wonder why the OP would feed us this misinformation.

USA - Orlando, Florida: University of Central Florida

Qualifications: An earned Master�s Degree in ESOL/TESOL or an earned Master�s Degree in a closely related field with full ESOL endorsement is expected by time of hire; significant K-12 teaching experience. Preference will be given to candidates who also have post-secondary teaching experience. Positions may begin as early as January 2004.

Salary: $33,000 (Visiting Instructor), $39,000 (Instructor)
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molly farquharson



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is a univ job and univs require masters degrees, as do community colleges. Language schools require less. And yes, quite a few univs and some comm colls have contracted with lang schools to do their prep. I worked at one for a while. They work closely with the univ in order to prepare the sts. It saves the univ from having to deal with the hassles of administrating that particular specialized unit.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP`s job also requires a masters:

''Genuine commitment to students, teaching, and the profession; M.A. in ESOL'
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