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		| Nexus 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:12 am    Post subject: Non-Native Speaker Teacher |   |  
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				| A friend of mine is heading to Turkey to try and find work over summer and possibly the next academic year. 
 She's Russian, has a CELTA and one year experience (higher education from a Russian Pedagogical University).  I've warned her that it might not be so easy but what opportunities are there for NNS teachers - it seems that most places recruit only NS teachers.  Is this true for ET / Interlang, ILM, Dilko?
 
 Any concrete leads would be much appreciated as I fear she's going to be staying in a hotel and walking the streets looking for work.
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				|  Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:19 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| OH MY GOD. I am going to have make another cup of coffee and try and not get too Halle Berry before I reply to this. |  | 
	
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				|  Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:22 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| 31, when I was ET I had a  Romanian and a Pakistani working for me. |  | 
	
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		| Baba Alex 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:27 am    Post subject: Re: Non-Native Speaker Teacher |   |  
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	  | A friend of mine is heading to Turkey to try and find work over summer and possibly the next academic year. 
 
 
 Any concrete leads would be much appreciated as I fear she's going to be staying in a hotel and walking the streets looking for work.
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 she may be able to get work teaching Russian, there is a need.
 
 I hear a rumour that there any many Russians out there posing a native teachers. Not that I'd ever believe it myself.
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		| Nexus 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:29 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | 31, when I was ET I had a  Romanian and a Pakistani working for me. |  I think I know the Romanian teacher.
 
 31: I know!  I'm trying to talk her out of it but it's her decision.  I just want to try and help her if I can.
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				|  Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:32 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Now don`t you get all Halle Berry with me. I know that there are non native teachers teaching English here-whynotme is one fine example. 
 Of course you had Pakis and Romanians-ET with its pay and ''conditions'' has to take what it can get. Of course they had a uni degree, CELTA etc.
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				|  Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:32 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| The Romanian teacher did a runner. during a break!!! Just left the students in the classroom. I told the Director not to hire her, but did he listen? |  | 
	
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		| Nexus 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:46 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| So anyway, I'm meeting her this afternoon before she goes to the airport to either 
 a) talk her out of it at the last minute
 b) give her a list of names / addresses / phone numbers
 
 If it's b) what names go on the list as places that will realistically offer her hours?
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				|  Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:50 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Much as this pains me: 
 ET
 Interlang (ET)
 
 If ET won`t employ her then her only hope is under the Maslak flyover.
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		| Nexus 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:59 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | 31 wrote: |  
	  | Much as this pains me: 
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 I feel your pain
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		| whynotme 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:00 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| i am also non native  do you know more than 90 % of EFL teachers working here are non native but they are Turkish. 4 or more year degrees, MA's, experience and lots. good excuses to work with but why hire a Russian ? there are a lot of qualified Turkish EFL teachers or qualified natives . |  | 
	
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				|  Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:07 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| There are loads of qualified barbers, chefs, civil engineers and managers with great qualifications from the Soviet education system in Azerbaijan yet there are thousands of Turks employed there. Why hire them? 
 There is mass unemployment in Saudi Arabia but half of Antakya is working there.
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		| dmb 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:12 am    Post subject: |   |  
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never thought about it before but pretty much all the turks i met in the gulf were from the antakya region 
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				|  Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:00 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| [quote="31"]There are loads of qualified barbers, chefs, civil engineers and managers with great qualifications from the Soviet education system in Azerbaijan yet there are thousands of Turks employed there. Why hire them?[quote="31"] if they are better and legal yes hire them
 
 
 
 
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	  | There is mass unemployment in Saudi Arabia but half of Antakya is working there. |  otuzbir you are being funny..Which SAudi Arabian digs the drain? or collect rubbish or do crap jobs?
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		| justme 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:01 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| The old Interlang had 3 Romanians and a Bulgarian... And I'm pretty sure one guy at my school is Azerbaijani or something like that... |  | 
	
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