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dmb



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
about six years ago i think. Im crap with dates though. I have no plans for today so i'll try and google it
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dmb



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
OMG. I really am crap with dates . It was 1992. A lebanese ship sunk with 13000 sheep and goats on on it. Im sure there was a a more recent one though.
scroll down to the middle
http://www.turkishpilots.org/NEWS/nytimes.html
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Entrailicus uses the term learner with such xing confidence. He is a teflnazi and that is that. Ship or sheep? Is that still in print?

I went to a plenary given by Caroline Graham. For those who are not teflnazis she is the jazz chant woman. She gave the background behind it as follows:

She was doing TEFL full time in New York and surprise surprise she couldn`t make ends meet so she played the piano nights. She worked two jobs to put food on the table like Molly but never complained-tell that to Oprah. One day she was playing the piano and thinking about her class when she had the revelation that jazz could help with her students` pron. She had us all join in:

I want a cool milk shake with a juicy big burger
I want a cool milk shake with a juicy big burger
I want a .......................................................
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Golightly



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Location: in the bar, next to the raki
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jazz chants - even more ludicrous than mario rinvoludicrous in full flow, and that's saying something. I have never met anyone who has done this in class for longer than a few minutes and realised it's embarrassing and deeply patronising. If I, at the end of an exhausting day of doing something, then subjected myself to a couple of hours of, let's say, French, and the teacher made me do jazz chants in French, the bustard would very sooon find him/herself wearing their book of freakin' jazz chants.



Sideways.




with a copy of the French equivalent of Headway for company.






And a copy of the French equivalent of Ship or Sheep.






And, just to make sure, the French equivalent of John and Liz Soars.
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molly farquharson



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
actually I like jazz chants. They are only meant to last a few minutes. The sts enjoy them and often chant them back to me outside of class. They reinforce the rhythm and pronunciation of English and they are fun to do. I too met Carolyn Graham, had lunch with her. She is very cool. She was a jazz singer before she was a teacher, btw. We all bring our own talents to this job and it's great when someone like her shares them.
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Baba Alex



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
molly farquharson wrote:
actually I like jazz chants.


I'll have to agree with you there, I've seen many teachers who don't teach pronunciation and intonation at all, so something needs to be done.
I once had an observation and the teacher was shocked beacuse I was doning substitution drills with upper-intermediate students, he asked me if I thought it was a bit patronising, but I told him him that if you explain to the students why you're doing it then it isn't.

or something like that
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dmb



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm with baba and molly. pronuciation is probably the most neglected aspects of teaching
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Baba Alex



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
dmb wrote:
I'm with baba and molly. pronuciation is probably the most neglected aspects of teaching


Yeah, some people think that simply correcting the students while they speak is enough. At least Jazz chants are systematic and give students a focus.
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dmb



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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some people think that simply correcting the students while they speak is enough
I rarely do this. I tend to take a note and have delayed feedback at the end of the lesson. Also you have a record of pron problems for future lessons.
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Baba Alex



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
dmb wrote:
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some people think that simply correcting the students while they speak is enough
I rarely do this. I tend to take a note and have delayed feedback at the end of the lesson. Also you have a record of pron problems for future lessons.


Unless they pronounce something in such a way it changes the meaning.