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tw
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 Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:22 am Post subject: Criminal check a MUST now for people from abroad? |
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| One potential employer is telling me that I need to get a criminal check done in Canada. The entire process here in Canada can take MONTHS. Is there an alternative? |
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oiboy
Joined: 05 Mar 2004
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Location: Middle China
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| I think they are pulling your leg. The only type of school that may ask for a criminal record might be an international school. I think it's just a polite way of saying we don't want to hire a Chinese Canadian. |
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englishgibson
Joined: 09 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:49 am Post subject: Criminal check a MUST now for people from abroad? |
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TW, you've been looking for a job position for quite a while. I am beginnig to feel that it is not easy to find a post in China from up there in Canada. Nothing wrong with exercising some patience to land that right position, although you've been exercising a lot of that patience there, mate.
I have not heard of Criminal record needed in China and I've got my new permit a couple of months ago, though in Vietnam they need it now.
Cheers and beers |
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benno
Joined: 28 Jun 2004
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Location: Fake Mongolia
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:19 am Post subject: |
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i am going to a new school in september and i was asked to show that i had no criminal record
i was surprised, since i have lived in china for the last 3 years,
but it aint as bad as it sounds
it doesnt take months, infact my parents managed to get it from the local police office in a day, and faxed later that evening to china, so dont worry
i probably can understand this, most of the foreigners in china are fruit cases, so it isnt such a bad thing for your school, shows that they are a little professional |
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tw
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks everyone. It would appear I jumped the gun a little bit. Only a full fingerprint search with the RCMP would take months. Otherwise a routine background check with the local police department probably takes at most a week. |
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Don McChesney
Joined: 25 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:59 pm Post subject: Criminal record |
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| In Henan, not even a suggestion of such a thing, or a Medical before coming. Each Province seems to have seperate ideas or interpretations of the 'rules', imagined or real. This is my second go here, I arrived back about 6 weeks ago. Try for a job elsewhere. |
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tw
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:40 am Post subject: Re: Criminal record |
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| Don McChesney wrote: |
| In Henan, not even a suggestion of such a thing, or a Medical before coming. Each Province seems to have seperate ideas or interpretations of the 'rules', imagined or real. This is my second go here, I arrived back about 6 weeks ago. Try for a job elsewhere. |
Yeah I know.
Liaoning: medical check but no mention of police record check
[where my potential employer is]: medical check AND police record check
Henan (according to Don): nothing
I think like the Z visa conversion thread, this should become a sticky so people would know what each province wants. |
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coming soon
Joined: 16 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| I just arrived in China a week ago and did not need a criminal check for my job. The consulate in the US did not ask for any special documents or whatsoever, just an invitation letter to get my F visa (being converted to a Z as we speak). |
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Volodiya
Joined: 03 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:36 am Post subject: |
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I just arrived in China a week ago....
...my F visa (being converted to a Z as we speak). |
Coming soon, would you mind telling us what city and province you're in?
Thanks. |
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tw
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| coming soon wrote: |
| I just arrived in China a week ago and did not need a criminal check for my job. The consulate in the US did not ask for any special documents or whatsoever, just an invitation letter to get my F visa (being converted to a Z as we speak). |
Oh no, the criminal check is more than likely wanted by the PSB and probably only in certain cities/provinces before they would issue the documents needed to get your Z visa in USA. Also, the fact that you went to China with a F visa probably explains why you didn't need a criminal check done in USA. |
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cujobytes
Joined: 14 May 2004
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Location: Zhuhai, (Sunny South) China.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| Oh no, the criminal check is more than likely wanted by the PSB and probably only in certain cities/provinces before they would issue the documents needed to get your Z visa in USA. Also, the fact that you went to China with a F visa probably explains why you didn't need a criminal check done in USA. |
Nope, never ever heard of anyone needing a criminal background check.
I think your agent/employer either has no idea or is trying to put you off or wants to satisfy THEMSELVES that you are of good character.
It's not currently a government requirement, National or provincial. |
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tw
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 9:13 am Post subject: |
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| cujobytes wrote: |
Nope, never ever heard of anyone needing a criminal background check.
I think your agent/employer either has no idea or is trying to put you off or wants to satisfy THEMSELVES that you are of good character.
It's not currently a government requirement, National or provincial. |
Actually, according to www.caiep.org/faq/content.php?id=10609 which I was shown the last time I was told to get my medical exam done before going to China, it does state that FE candidates must not have any prior criminal record. Therefore, employers and/or local authorities can ask for that by being shown a police background record check.
I personally don't care since I have never been charged. Yes, it cost me some money but it took less than half an hour at the police station and the employer has told me that they will reimburse me the postage when I arrive there to teach. Apparently, they didn't know either until they sent in application forms for some foreign students. That's when they were told that foreigners needed to submit a police record check.
I see it as a good thing. Teachers in the West have to go through a criminal check before they can get their teacher's license. So why not in China too right? Remember that man accused of raping all those young girls? Would you want him teaching your children if he doesn't get the death penalty and walks free after serving a few years in prison? China now has who knows how many foreigners living and working there. I am very sure they want to keep out people with a criminal past to protectthe safety of their people. |
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Zero Hero
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| cujobytes wrote: |
| It's not currently a government requirement, National or provincial. |
More misinformation from the master himself. I guess this is similar to stating that cohabitation is legal in Mainland China (which it most certainly is not).
Perhaps 'Cujosux' could furnish the forum with appropriate official references. I doubt if he will be able to do so though, as the Chinese language literature clearly states that in order to obtain FE status one must be free of any criminal record.
What 'Cujosux' means is as he has never had to sign a release form and pay the relevant fee therefore it can not possibly be required. Others of course will see that this merely reflects more on his employers, and not national regulations.
It is certainly worrying to think just who might be working in Mainland China, and what past they may be hiding.
The immigration departments of HK and Macau perform such checks as standard, and the Mainland will shortly begin to crack down on regions and employers who do not follow national law, just as they are now doing as regards the BA requirement. |
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cujobytes
Joined: 14 May 2004
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Location: Zhuhai, (Sunny South) China.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| Zero Hero wrote: |
| cujobytes wrote: |
| It's not currently a government requirement, National or provincial. |
More misinformation from the master himself. I guess this is similar to stating that cohabitation is legal in Mainland China (which it most certainly is not).
Perhaps 'Cujosux' could furnish the forum with appropriate official references. I doubt if he will be able to do so though, as the Chinese language literature clearly states that in order to obtain FE status one must be free of any criminal record.
What 'Cujosux' means is as he has never had to sign a release form and pay the relevant fee therefore it can not possibly be required. Others of course will see that this merely reflects more on his employers, and not national regulations.
It is certainly worrying to think just who might be working in Mainland China, and what past they may be hiding.
The immigration departments of HK and Macau perform such checks as standard, and the Mainland will shortly begin to crack down on regions and employers who do not follow national law, just as they are now doing as regards the BA requirement. |
Once again the dero shows he hasn't a clue what he's talking about.
I agree TW that you are required to have a clean record but there is currently no requirement that you need to present a police clearance to get a visa.
Simple.
dero, we're not talking about Hong Kong or Macau, and the fact that it may become a requirement in the future has no bearing on the fact that it is NOT a requirement at present.
Go ahead, refute away. You have no idea what's going on in the mainland. Just what your dope addled brain imagines. |
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Alex_P
Joined: 23 Apr 2005
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Location: Hangzhou. Zheijiang, China
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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Cujobytes,
Your posting was really helpful until the last part of the posting when you had again to delve into invective and vitriolic.
Everything you write before those deprecatory comments has indeed been helpful. Yes, indeed, police checks are not needed, they do not appear to be on the agenda, 99.99999% of everyone I know in China has never been asked for one, etc. When you make the distinction between what is now and what might be your point should be well taken by those readers and I even urged TW to be cautious in making such a posting.
But I don't understand the need to be generally vicious. Why? You gratuitously attacked a new poster on another forum who had asked a simple question.
Is it because you are a big, blond-haired, burly white guy in his late 50s with excessive testerone and a God-given droit de cite that somehow you have the privilege of doing this on this site? Or is it because you feel that you can do so impuniously given what you think is Internet anonymity?
I hope that once you are married you will manage to be gentle with your wife and shower her with love and kindness.
Is it so hard to be kind and helpful? Or are you simply not capable of it?
In reviewing your postings I cannot find one single charitable posting that did contain an insult of some kind, at least for those points that have been deleted by the moderators or otherwise edited.
Alex P.
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