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hallelujah · Joined: 11 Jul 2005 Posts: 17

i know it sounds rude when one talks directly about money, but i was hoping to get a peer advice from you, all the "old dogs" in this forum Razz

the thing is that i'm really new in this branch and i haven't a slightest idea what payment to expect or recquire from a language center in istanbul....

i found out that they pay per hour, which is OK, but i really don't know how much i can ask for? Shocked

i'll appreciate it much, if any of you respond as i expect to have ceveral job interviews next couple of weeks, and i'm in desperate need of advice Embarassed

and of course, what about the salaries at the high-schools and universtites? i guess the situation there is totaly different...?!

thanks a million in advance to all brave forumers !!! Wink

p.s. ups, i forgot to write my details again, i have a B.A. but in Journalism(PR), and also a CELTA certificate and amost two year experience as a private teacher...

dmb · Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397

I'd pay you 25 ytl an hour for one to one business english, but as it is summer,i dont have any hours going.
On the bright side alot of teachers are down south or back home for the summer, so the kids that have been a nightmare all year and have failed exams need summer tuition, you can charge alot for privates for the next couple of months

dmb · Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397

ps
31 will disagree with everything i said
and I wont answer him cos i am on a promise to myself and fellow posters not to bicker with him

31 · Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 1797

Comments:

It is Summer.

I said on a different thread and Molly agreed that things are slow here in the Summer. I bet you don`t have enough hours so your teachers really need to get as many hours as they can when they can. You forgot to mention that all your teachers are legally employed elsewhere. I imagine that it would be very hard for the OP to survive on your hours alone. Plus OP would have to sort out legalities and accomodation.

Many teachers are on holiday is true but then many of the students who could afford to pay for private lessons can also afford to be on holiday and probably are. Many teachers are back home and still staying with their parents as they cannot afford their home or to rent or stay in a hotel.

10 pounds an hour and you pay for transport. I imagine the lessons are 2 hours at a time. No transport time is there? Given the traffic and planning and waiting time etc. 20 quid doesn`t seem a lot.

31 · Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 1797

What to expect at ET:

15 YTL an hour. That is 6 pounds. Less than what a cleaner would get in UK. No holidays, no sick pay, no minimum salary, nothing in the summer, no work permit, no social security. You would average over a full year about 500 pounds a month if you took every single hour you possibly could. If you plan on only doing 6 months (October to March) you could average 7-800 but holidays and the summer really hit your pocket hard. Also you would be unable to get extra hourly pay such as what dmb is talking about as you would never know from week to week when you are working. DMB`s work is doable only if you work in a high school, private uni or have other private work.

hallelujah · Joined: 11 Jul 2005 Posts: 17

thank you guys Smile

so it's summer everywhere, and there won't be much work, ok
but i was thinking ab contracts for the time after september...

what if i am offered a full time job and later the school still says 'sorry, but we haven't enough courses to give you!' Evil or Very Mad

i'm sure you can understand that i'm a complete novice in the business... Embarassed

soif the payment is per hour, but the contract is for full time, and there aren't that exact number lessons to be taken, what happens to my salary? Shocked

31 · Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 1797

It is not a real contract. At ET you would be working illegally without any social security. The contract is just a piece of paper that does not work in your favour.

Hourly pay means you only get paid for the hours you work. When the hours drop your salary drops. There is no minimum salary.

justme · Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 1944 Location: Istanbul

molly farquharson · Joined: 16 Jun 2004 Posts: 839 Location: istanbul

we are never in a situation to say there are not enough hours. our teachers are working their butts off and those hourly rates bring them a pretty good salary, except for the months that have bayrams. we warn them to budget for it. even in the summer the teachers are quite busy. for the other stuff, i am not going to bother replying because i already have in other threads. if you are interested, pm me. i will answer you straightly, as people who know me can attest to.

31 · Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 1797

More about hourly salary.

If ET always have enough hours except for the two ''bayram'' why don`t they guarantee a minimum salary for ten months? The reason is they can`t guarantee you a minimum amount of hours, say 100 a month.

It is not only the two ''bayram'' that reduce your salary it is also the: numerous 1 day holidays which are often extended into 2 day holidays, the visa runs which cost a lot in terms of hours and the summer. Quite busy is not good enough. How many teachers are getting 100 hours a month at the moment. If they are why not guarantee it in the contract. In an earlier post she said that things are quiet in the summer, now she has changed her tune.

Budget means expect a drop in salary for at least 5 months of the year. Teachers work their butt off. Crude Americanism aside this is true only because they have to and that is due to the hourly pay system.

If things were so great they would offer a monthly salary. Why do they offer hourly pay? Because it is cheaper for them.

TeachEnglish · Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Posts: 239

hmmm..I had a friend that worked at ET recently and they told her there were not enough hours and she decided to leave.. I wonder why she was told that and a recent post states "ET is is never in a situation to say there are not enough hours." Hmmm

Golightly · Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:57 pm Post subject:

On the subject of hourly pay, what we used to do at Dilko (and hopefully still goes on) was to give teachers a contract for a set number of teaching hours over the year from september to june. This meant that occasionally teachers would work more hours in one month than another, but the pay was evenly spread over the course of the year; If a teacher's workload worked out at being morethan the contract, they'd get overtime. The question of teachers not honouring their contract was raised, but it never became an issue - in fact, in the year after this was introduced, we only lost one teacher (for personal reasons).

31 · Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 1797

justme · Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 1944 Location: Istanbul

'Porkies' is a good word. It's funny. Makes me think of deep fried pork rinds...

31 · Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 1797

A conference speaker, back in my teflnazi days, advised everyone to read ''Flow, the psychology of happiness'' I never read it but at the time it was very teflnazi. Apparently it is written by a psychologist and was hijacked by teflnazis to bolster the idea that we should set the level of tasks just above the level of the learners in order to bring about the conditions that push students but create flow-the feeling you get when you are pushed to your limits but are successful and get that warm feeling that otherwise would have to be created by drugs or alcohol.

Tell me you have read it Entrailicus. I bet you have.