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Is Dave's a "Community"?
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Do you feel like you are a part of a community at Dave's?
Yes
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No
21%
 21%  [ 6 ]
Sometimes
28%
 28%  [ 8 ]
Just passing through, thanks.
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go_ABs



Joined: 08 Aug 2004
Posts: 507

PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kev wrote:
If I had to guess (and it's only a guess, mind you), those that were quite prolific here in the past yet have now gone over to greener pastures, probably return here from time to time just to read a few posts, gain some insights or catch up on things. They may not post any longer (or maybe have the same "name"), but I'll bet there are a few still kicking around. And I think that's just swell.


I'm sure that is the case. Just as posters here sometimes visit there, only to read and not post. In the case of China Teacher's Forums, it was created because people were fed up with the perceived hypocritical and inconsistant nature of Dave's mods. But posters there sometimes find the range of perspectives too narrow to offer worthwhile advice, and post the same questions here on Dave's. And (to borrow from Kev,) I think that's just swell.

tw wrote:
If you do, then you obviously have no job or life, and haven't had for the better part of a month.

Sorry, couldn't resist.


Come on, how does that make sense?

I admit I read Dave's more often than I should - maybe an hour or two each day. Doesn't mean squat. Readers can't help notice *your* posts because there's SO DAMN MANY. The person who puts up all those posts obviously devotes a heck of a lot of time doing so. Even if it were only a few words per post, 25 posts would take some time and effort to produce.

ZH & tw: I wasn't intending to criticise tw. It's just that, as I've said before (and for the record, this will be the last time), I think there's a VERY fine line between a prolific poster who posts innocently, and one who does so maliciously. I've seen time and again people start off as tw has, with many posts with innocent material, get peeved off at something and continue the prolific post count with malicious, hurtful or simply stupid stuff. I'd hate to see our 'community' hurt by another pointless troll.

On a side note, I look at the number of posts someone has, and the date they joined, when encountering a username I don't know. It's an 'at a glance' credibility factor. Not always reliable, but gives a general gist.
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tw



Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I REALLY wish there wasn't a post count tracker. I am sorry if my large number of posts tick people off. I'm sorry, but I am a chatty person. If anyone ever gets the misfortune of meeting me in person then you'll know. I do avoid participating in threads that I know can get quite heated and confrontational, or threads that I have no interest in and/or have no knowledge of. That is one reason I often discontinue myself from further debate on certain issues (Taiwan independence is a prime example).

Dave's has been a great place for me to share opinions on China-related topics. Yes, I am bored, I don't have a definite job now (with luck hopefully things will change by next week), and I don't have a life. I've enjoyed reading many people's views (though not always agreeing with them). I don't have a personal agenda here other than shooting the breeze and offer suggestions and advice when I feel I can. If some of you old-timers can't handle it, then feel free and ask the moderators to ban me.

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It's just that, as I've said before (and for the record, this will be the last time), I think there's a VERY fine line between a prolific poster who posts innocently, and one who does so maliciously. I've seen time and again people start off as tw has, with many posts with innocent material, get peeved off at something and continue the prolific post count with malicious, hurtful or simply stupid stuff.


Not to worry, the last thing I wanted was disgracing myself, my nationality, and my ethnic background. I do have a little bit more class than those you described.
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Sekhmet



Joined: 05 Apr 2004
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Location: Alexandria, Egypt

PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, how do you find out what your ranking is? I never even heard of that before! Why would anyone even particularly WANT to know??!! The post counter is fun, in its own little way, but I don't think it makes any difference to anything how many posts people make... However, 5000 posts IS pretty impressive...
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Chris_Crossley



Joined: 26 Jun 2004
Posts: 1797
Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!

PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:09 am    Post subject: How to check "rankings" Reply with quote

Sekhmet wrote:
So, how do you find out what your ranking is? I never even heard of that before! Why would anyone even particularly WANT to know??!! The post counter is fun, in its own little way, but I don't think it makes any difference to anything how many posts people make... However, 5000 posts IS pretty impressive...


Go to the Memberlist function at the top of each page. You will then be linked to the first page (of hundreds!) where members are listed in chronological order in terms of the day they joined, starting with our own Dave Sperling (at #1 and #2 for some reason!).

In terms of the total number of posts, go to the first scroll bar and select "total posts". Then go to the second scroll bar alongside it and select "descending". You will then be linked to the first page (of hundreds!) which lists the posters, starting with Roger, in descending order of the total number of posts. You can check people's ranking there, but these are not tennis or other sports rankings! Roger may be first, but that is simply because he has posted the most posts - get it?

Hence, they are not really "rankings" as such. After all, how can one judge who the "best" poster is? (I suppose we could have a thread with a poll asking this very question, but the list of options would be far too long and take up too much time!)
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profile



Joined: 03 Jun 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't really understand why the quantity of a person's posts should particularly matter.

I like to hear from "tw" as, being CBC (hope I have that right), he can offer insights we non-Chinese may lack.
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Chris_Crossley



Joined: 26 Jun 2004
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Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!

PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:46 am    Post subject: Number of posts don't matter, but experience does Reply with quote

profile wrote:
I don't really understand why the quantity of a person's posts should particularly matter.


Maybe it doesn't in a way, but consider the "wise, old men", to whom people ask questions regarding many things in life: they've been around a bit longer than younger people! Then again, older, more experienced people and younger, less experienced people can have different perspectives about the same thing, both of which can be equally valid.

Hence, in the case of Dave's posters, some with just 1 post can have something as valuable to say as someone with nearly 6,000 (as Roger has at this moment). So maybe the number of posts doesn't really matter - but some people like to judge "experienced" posters by the number of posts that they do have, as they may be perceived by some less prolific posters, including newbies, as being the equivalent of the "wise, old men". (Whilst on the subject, I wonder who is the oldest poster on this forum?)
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Roger



Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

go_ABs wrote:
I'm not trying to nit-pick or hijack the thread, but still:

tw wrote:
I know I post waaaaaaaaaay too much...

...has everyone noticed that in the last couple weeks the number of people posting seem to have dropped significantly?


Could it be they're being drowned out?
Also, summer vacation probably has a lot to do with it; people are travelling now.

tw wrote:
I also wish the system doesn't keep track of the number of posts because I really couldn't care less.


No need to worry - this site is full of readers; not everyone is a contributor, though. I know that because I get occasional PMs from total unknowns.
I also know some in person that never post here. Those banned still frequent it; some under new names, others anonymously.

Besides, as go-ABS said, it's summer holiday time, with fewer posters around. I was on a train the whole day yesterday. How many are now in the Gobi, in Tibet or in Thailand?

I have also got to say we attract people from all walks of life, not everyone is a teacher. And we attract some misanthropic elements too; some of those are better served by those competitive "greasy spoons" in cyberworld.

But some people do. I do.
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Roger



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I definitely feel it is a community. I know quite a few posters by sight or by sound of their voice (via telephone). Some have helped me (get me a job in Shanghai, for example, that I couldn't accept for domestic reasons); others have offered housing (and I have benefitted from this offer a number of times).

I spent 6 years without any such forum before and was constantly wishing a FTs network existed. Most of my legal knowledge came to me through some incident that opened my eyes to certain realities - what happens if you are illegal (I was, and it was my boss' fault).
My parents died one after the other within the years I have been here; when my old man died my sisters asked me to return for a holiday and for the sharing out of the estate; I had to turn this request down and don't feel much regret as I am firmly anchored in China.

I have met numerous FTs, and often I got taken for a ride, hence my increasingly cautious answers; take this example: a guy arrived here and got a job from an employer I had recommended to him.
He finally ended up in a different location than the first one; bizarrely I knew that place intimately enough for having worked in the same town.

He was still on a businessman's visa; later he emailed me to inform me that he had had to leave China. Reason? He had been spotted by a PSB man who was the parent of one of his kindergarten pupils; when he showed his passport to the policeman he learnt he had one week time to become legal.
He underwent a medical - or so he said; the check-up declared him an HIV-positive person, thus ineligible fpr a job here.
He went to Thailand - or so he said.

As an aside, he had told me frankly that he was HIV positive and a gay. But he said this after he landed his first job.
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Mideatoo



Joined: 19 Jul 2005
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Location: ...IF YOU SAY SO...

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes it is, and like all communities it has its bullies.........
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