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cornishmuppet



Joined: 27 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:16 pm    Post subject: babies classes - why?? Reply with quote

At my school there is a babies class where I sit and wave toy animals about while a couple of one year olds writhe about on the floor, completely unaware of my existence. The mothers speak easily enough English to 'teach' them anything I can. I've been here a year and already feel like I'm selling my soul, but this has got me totally mystified. I just can't understand what the point of putting babies through English lessons is.

I'd be interested if anyone can actually give me a decent reason why these classes even exist, for any reason rather than to take money off families who clearly have far too much.

I won't say anything against my school, because at the end of the day its a business, as is every other eikawa out there, and we have far less baby 'students' than most schools I know, but my issue is with the existence of these classes at all.

I for one think its a bit of joke, really.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:26 pm    Post subject: Re: babies classes - why?? Reply with quote

cornishmuppet wrote:
At my school there is a babies class where I sit and wave toy animals about while a couple of one year olds writhe about on the floor, completely unaware of my existence. The mothers speak easily enough English to 'teach' them anything I can. I've been here a year and already feel like I'm selling my soul, but this has got me totally mystified. I just can't understand what the point of putting babies through English lessons is.

I'd be interested if anyone can actually give me a decent reason why these classes even exist, for any reason rather than to take money off families who clearly have far too much.

I won't say anything against my school, because at the end of the day its a business, as is every other eikawa out there, and we have far less baby 'students' than most schools I know, but my issue is with the existence of these classes at all.

I for one think its a bit of joke, really.


Probably because its more for the mothers than it is for the babies. Learning language, to get technical is about input and babies learn language in the womb. Babies can recognise the mothers voice as soon as they are born.

The kids are listening to you but they are hearing language, and more importantly so are the mothers. Maybe they can speak English, I dont know, but they come to hear English and they obviously want their kids to be exposed to it too. They go home and talk to their babies and put on Sesame street etc.


Yes it may be pointless, but dont forget babies dont learn language the way adults do- just think about how you learn your first language as a toddler, by hours on hours of soaking up your environment. Comprehensible Input. You are never too young to learn English in the minds of mothers here.
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Lindsay



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recently watched a BBC documentry about language and the brain. Children as young as one can discern a difference in language. They may not speak it or be obvious in their response to it, but this study showed differences in brain activity when a different language was spoken. According to this study when children are as young as two, it is the easiest time for them to learn another language.

I taught a class of one and two year olds. I agree it definitely felt like I had no self awareness while teaching the class. We sang lots of songs with actions (the mothers were also in the classroom) and threw around lots of fluffy bright coloured objects and said the colours as we threw and caught them. The children responded very well and enjoyed the class.

Then these children moved on to a two year old class where another teacher taught them the alphabet, days of the week, colours, and general greetings. These children were amazing!

So, even though it seems like you are not turning a lot of results, these children may be benefiting from your class!
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madeira



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be happy that your school doesn't have "Talking to the Bump" classes.

Even if pre-born babies can learn that way, it still feels ridiculous to do it!
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bearcat



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:04 pm    Post subject: Re: babies classes - why?? Reply with quote

cornishmuppet wrote:
At my school there is a babies class where I sit and wave toy animals about while a couple of one year olds writhe about on the floor, completely unaware of my existence. The mothers speak easily enough English to 'teach' them anything I can. I've been here a year and already feel like I'm selling my soul, but this has got me totally mystified. I just can't understand what the point of putting babies through English lessons is.

I'd be interested if anyone can actually give me a decent reason why these classes even exist, for any reason rather than to take money off families who clearly have far too much.

I won't say anything against my school, because at the end of the day its a business, as is every other eikawa out there, and we have far less baby 'students' than most schools I know, but my issue is with the existence of these classes at all.

I for one think its a bit of joke, really.


Sounds like you answered your own question already. As you stated, its a business. Customers want it, they smile and take the money and you teach it.

On the mother's side, these women got all sorts of reasons why. Some think that stuff is gonna give their kid a "head start" on the English. Other foolish ones think a few months of this will produce fluent speakers from their toddlers. Yet other mothers use the class as a way to meet other mothers and get out of her lonely funk of taking care of a baby, mother in law, and husband all day with nothing to make herself feel better.

I'd say the variety of reasons is as vast as the reasons why any adult takes a class. Because in the end this is more about the mothers than the toddlers. I'd akin this to some glossy eye'd father putting a baseball mitt in their boy's crib thinking that it's gonna make em more talented later in baseball.
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bearcat



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lindsay wrote:
I recently watched a BBC documentry about language and the brain. Children as young as one can discern a difference in language. They may not speak it or be obvious in their response to it, but this study showed differences in brain activity when a different language was spoken. According to this study when children are as young as two, it is the easiest time for them to learn another language.

I taught a class of one and two year olds. I agree it definitely felt like I had no self awareness while teaching the class. We sang lots of songs with actions (the mothers were also in the classroom) and threw around lots of fluffy bright coloured objects and said the colours as we threw and caught them. The children responded very well and enjoyed the class.

Then these children moved on to a two year old class where another teacher taught them the alphabet, days of the week, colours, and general greetings. These children were amazing!

So, even though it seems like you are not turning a lot of results, these children may be benefiting from your class!


By age 1 studies have shown that a child has worked out all the appropriate sounds for the language the parents have spoken. In the case of bilingual children the take longer to sort out the two different languages sounds and thus tend to start speaking at a slightly later age. However, it evens out rather quickly.

But let's also understand that 1 hour a week for 50 out of 52 weeks of the year, no j-child is going to come under those conditions unless that child specially has additional stimulus of English at home on a daily basis and or they are one of those human beings that are more natually predisposed to picking up additional language(s) as a talent.

Eikaiwa tend to not mention the fact of their child getting the equivalent experience of English as that of a week's vacation overseas(bit of an exaggeration I know but it does put it into perspective).
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guest of Japan



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do a private lesson once a week with a five year old girl and her two and a half year old sister. I initually took the job for only the five year old. However, the parents decided they want the two and a half year old to take part too, for extra money of course.

I told the parents that I really didn't think it would be very successful. So far I am right in that opinion. The five year old is moving along quite nicely, there is almost no discernable difference in the two year old. I tend to focus my lesson on the five year old and just keep the other girl as active as possible. The main reason I teach the younger daughter is just so she doesn't feel left out when the older daughter has class. It is a bit detrimental to my lessons with the older daughter, and causes me a bit of anxiety in lesson planning and carry out.
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Henry_Cowell



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

guest of Japan wrote:
I told the parents that I really didn't think it would be very successful. So far I am right in that opinion. The five year old is moving along quite nicely, there is almost no discernable difference in the two year old.

But as PAULH and Lindsay quite accurately stated, the two-year-old is nevertheless processing sounds and structures inside that little language acquisition device of hers. We can't expect 'success' at this age to be measurable in the usual ways.
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bshabu



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, babies can hear all sounds since birth. After time they focus on their parents language(or the languages that are the most dominate) and lose the ability to distiguish some sounds. I saw a documentary on how babies could hear, in this case, the two "da" sounds of Hindi and reconized that they were two sounds. It was quite amazing. But when they brought they kid back a year later, the kid lost that ability.
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pnksweater



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I taught baby class at my ekaiwa the kid was so young he didn't even speak Japanese. But low and behold, six months later he was speaking Japanese and English. Not fluently of course, but the little bits and pieces every baby starts out with.

Something else about early language learing: when we are born our brain has the ablilty to process all sounds the human vocal tract can make. Once we lock onto the surrounding language and figure out those sounds our brain begins to filter out uncessary sounds. So when we grow to adulthood most of us simply can't differentiate some of the sounds of foreign languages. Some people beleive that exposing babies and young children to the sounds of foreign languages can aid them in learning a second language later in life.

But I agree with the above posters- baby class is mostly about the mom.
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JimDunlop2



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

madeira wrote:
Be happy that your school doesn't have "Talking to the Bump" classes.

Even if pre-born babies can learn that way, it still feels ridiculous to do it!


What, does your place of work have such classes?
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moot point



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Then these children moved on to a two year old class where another teacher taught them the alphabet, days of the week, colours, and general greetings. These children were amazing!


2 year-olds who've already remembered the alphabet?! That certainly is amazing and far beyond what normal English-speaking kids could achieve at such an age.
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Sherri



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My son who is turning 2 at the end of this week, can identify colors, can certainly do general greetings (in E and J). And he can say the alphabet. But when he says the alphabet it is the alphabet song, so I think it is more just a matter of reciting memorized sounds--he doesn't really get what the alphabet means. Most 2-year-olds are pretty good at mimicking.

As for the original question, as anyone who has been the primary caregiver of a baby or toddler knows... you will do ANYTHING to get out of the house and meet other people and do something different. It's for the mothers (or dads).
Sherri
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bshabu



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sherri wrote:
.As for the original question, as anyone who has been the primary caregiver of a baby or toddler knows... you will do ANYTHING to get out of the house and meet other people and do something different. It's for the mothers (or dads).
Sherri


And it's a good way to meet other moms(dads) with kids around the same age.
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guest of Japan



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a quick update on my two and a half year old student. It seems that English lessons are worthwhile for her. When I taught her yesterday she was actually producing spoken English. I was more than a little surprised.
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