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[naturegirl321]

For that person who gets RMB17000 with no degree, I'm jealous. I've got a degree and a 140 TEFL Diploma. And 6 months teaching experience. I'm getting 50 an hour, but then again, I'm in RURAL China and 4000 a month is more than plenty.

[Bertrand]

[Gray000]

Ok man. Your mastery of the edit function has done me in. I concede.

[smarts]

Bachelor degree in editing. no less!

[Klamm]

That was great fun. Sorry Sunaru, I'm not generally an angry or unhappy person so I don't battle on the net to get out my aggressions. Just raising a question that does seem a worthy one in our industry.

(Oh, and as for a dentist: you're right. I don't care how many years of experience some of the dentists here in China have, i don't want them working on my teeth! Get me a fresh well-trained one with the proper credentials over a seventy old whose been yanking teeth over the past forty years - anyday!!! )

Good luck on things.

A Klammed up Klamm.

[pecsiamal]

Ok, all this is fine and intellectual. Languages are important, Latin or something else, it all adds up.

My problem is (you might say that I'm a non-native teacher of English. I have an MA, I've read all the above-mentioned books, I have 6 years of teaching experience in various types of groups. I learned English in a native environment. Yet nobody would employ me because of my nationality. Is that fair?

I've had many teachers of French in my own country. Native and non-native ones. Natives had the right to teach with no degree or experience. They were mostly completely useless.

Qualification, experience and perfect language skills. But how can you prove that via the Internet?

[dorum]

Pecsiamal,
I'm surprised you've had this problem in China, I'm also a non-native speaker, but have never had any problems getting a job here (starting my third contract in August). I have insisted in my applications that my English is native level, and every time, a telephone interview has settled their doubts.
Anyway, don't give up, there are jobs out there for 'people like us', and one day, the ridiculous practice of judging your language level on your passport alone may become extinct....

Good luck!!

[Klamm]

Sunaru,

Hey look, all is fun and games until you start writing my name as "Clam" and then sneaking witty one-liner "Clam-slams" that play off the nearness of my name to certain shellfish.

I don't deign design your "Sunaru" into a "Sunabi" or a host of other such marginally clever spelling or phonetic deviations that could only besmirch your good name!!?? Do I? No. Ah!

Gloves on, above the belt, yours sincerely:

Klamm(ed).

PS. Coincidentally, I'm hustling off to a Clam bake tonight at an outside cafe with some students. Strange world. Go figure, eh?

[Minhang Oz]

Klamm
Look at Sunaru's forum name backwards and you'll realise how seriously he takes that whole business.

[Bertrand]

[quote="pecsiamal"]My problem is (you might say that I'm a non-native teacher of English. I have an MA, I've read all the above-mentioned books, I have 6 years of teaching experience in various types of groups. I learned English in a native environment. Yet nobody would employ me because of my nationality. Is that fair?
[quote]

Fairness - if such a concept exists in the empirical world - has nothing to do with it. Life is neither fair nor unfair; it's merely indifferent.

The world does not owe you a living.

[Linda L.]

Bertrand is sooooooo right!!

Life is not always fair and the world does not owe you a living. The world does not even owe you an equal opportunity.

Everyone must find his/her own way and play the cards they are dealt.

I know first hand about unfairness and hardship. But if I can puul myself up out of the gutter then anyone can do it. Just try.

[Klamm]

Sunaru,

I've been here about three years, if that puts what I say in a nice lil' box w/handle.

K.

[Julia Girl]

I hope it matters. I'm in debt 40K for the damn thing.... grrr

[pecsiamal]

OK, Linda and Bertrand, life may not owe me a living, but then what's the point of this whole topic?