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virago



Joined: 06 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 10:56 pm    Post subject: Maybe Goodbye - for a while Reply with quote

I am think seriously of returning to Australia to regain my previous real working life.

After 2 years in China with nearly most of that time teaching english and business I have realised that I will not make a decent living in China compared to back in Australia. In the short term anyway.

I realise now I understand alot more about security of job, medical care, superannunation etc that is really lacking in China and also because I don't have the personal network that is so vital in China you cannot make a decent business living more than just survive.

Back in Australia I had a great job high 6 figure package, company car and alot of other perks which is difficult to really get used to not having this around. I could possibly get a post here as an expat in a couple of years.

It's also embarrassing when you enter a company to do english or business teaching and they talk about my past and they refer to my, what they call 'impressive resume'. It's like a sock in the mouth of 'why the MOD EDIT are you here!' type comment.

The difficult thing is going to leave my wife, dog and apartment that we have set up in China and only return probably twice a year. My wife cannot join me for business reasons but may be able to join me in a year or so depending on the success of her business. She has put too much effort to stop and give, just yet. If she was earning a decent money in China then I could afford to live here, learn the language properly and develop something of a small business myself but I can't see that happening in the near future.

Anyway that's my story. What do you think? Should I or shouldn't I? I think we have already made the decision but have you done this or heard of others doing this?
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virago



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry I was formally known as 'burnsie' and have been active here for about 1 year.
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SillySally



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:33 am    Post subject: What are your priorities? Reply with quote

Putting money above family is never a good idea.

Stick around and finish what you started. Nothing has changed from when you decided to get into this situation, except your perceptions of reality.

If you cannot work it out together, what makes you think you can work it out far apart?

Be patient. Perservere. China is a land of opportunities. Make your own. You have a wife and child to take care of here.

There once was a framer who left the countryside and family to work in the city to make more money. When he returned to the countryside another man was plowing his furrows.
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virago



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 1:31 am    Post subject: Re: What are your priorities? Reply with quote

SillySally wrote:
Putting money above family is never a good idea.


Yes, you are right. But what about self worth?
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Mideatoo



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you slowly but surely divorcing...?
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virago



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mideatoo wrote:
Are you slowly but surely divorcing...?


NO WAY! Our relationship is better than ever! No hint of divorce only hint of having children in the near future and her coming to Australia to have it. She is Chinese by the way.

Also we don't have children where the previous poster alluded to.
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Chris_Crossley



Joined: 26 Jun 2004
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Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!

PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:32 am    Post subject: Don't let go unless you absolutely have to Reply with quote

virago wrote:
Sorry I was formally known as 'burnsie' and have been active here for about 1 year.


Maybe you should call yourself "The_poster_formally_known_as_burnsie", even if it is a bit long for a username! Very Happy

virago wrote:
The difficult thing is going to leave my wife, dog and apartment that we have set up in China and only return probably twice a year. My wife cannot join me for business reasons but may be able to join me in a year or so depending on the success of her business. She has put too much effort to stop and give, just yet. If she was earning decent money in China then I could afford to live here, learn the language properly and develop something of a small business myself but I can't see that happening in the near future.

Anyway that's my story. What do you think? Should I or shouldn't I? I think we have already made the decision but have you done this or heard of others doing this?


SillySally wrote:
Be patient. Perservere. China is a land of opportunities. Make your own. You have a wife [...] to take care of here.


I would definitely echo SillySally's comments here. I think that you may be giving up far too much, even if you believe that it might be the best thing for you. I remember that, after two years in Wuhan, I had just had enough (of the city, not of teaching) and wanted to return back to Blighty to see if I could get even a half-decent teaching (including TEFL) job, even if I had a then-pregnant Chinese wife here.

Fate decreed that, after eight weeks, I would return to China, having drawn a complete blank on that score, and I realised that returning home had been a complete mistake, if only because it drained my financial resources, since living in the South-East of England near London is not cheap by any means.

Since then, however, things have got better. I had a very good job at a very good primary school in Wuhan for a year before moving on to my current job as a lecturer in EAP at a school which specifically prepares Chinese university graduates and pre-undergraduates to go to the UK and Australia to study for postgraduate and first degrees there. This job's relatively high salary has enabled my wife and I to purchase our very first home in a brand-new housing complex fairly near to the school, and we will be moving in within the next four weeks or so.

My Chinese family remarks to me that I have "everything" in China and "nothing" back home. This is a slight exaggeration, but it pretty well sums up my situation since returning to China. Everything in my professional and personal life is going amazingly well, and so my decision to return to China proved to be absolutely correct - admittedly. It is likely that we will stay here until our (now 15-month-old) daughter is old enough to go to primary school, so we may not leave China for at least another four years.

The moral of the story appears to be that, if you stick it out here, knowing that there really isn't anything for you back home, something good will eventually come along and you will have good luck. (I am not superstitious, BTW, but my Chinese family definitely is!)

Perhaps that will happen for you, too, Virago, so don't let go unless you feel you absolutely have to. When I was back home, I desperately missed my wife and was so unhappy to be separated from her. She felt the same way about being separated from me, especially since, as I have mentioned, she was expecting at the time. Eight weeks of separation were long enough, but the main point is that things did get better for us. I therefore do not regret returning to China, but I plan for us to move eventually, but we do not know when.
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Don McChesney



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somebody wise once said "You go back to find out why you left." and that is so true for many situations, many people.
You detail about your good job and prospects etc in Aust before you came here, think carefully why you left.
You can read about lots of FT's who go back 'home' and can't wait to come back ASAP, China has a strange way of becoming a part of you. Why stress your marriage for the sake of 'maybe . . .'?
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SillySally



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:57 am    Post subject: Virago