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AJ5
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 Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 11:40 pm Post subject: contract and visa |
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I was wondering if somebody could answer my question. I got an offer from Nova and they want an answer pretty soon. Anyway, the thing is I'm hoping for Jet and would rather go with them. But would do Nova as a back up. So should I sign the Nova contract, and if accepted to Jet just say I can't go and break the nova contract? Also, will the fact that Nova will be applying for a visa for me effect anything if Jet also applies for a visa?
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Shonai Ben
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This is a difficult question for sure.I think I would sign the Nova contract
and still try the job interview at Jet.If the Jet job does not happen then
you still have a job with Nova.If you get the job with Jet then just tell Nova
that you changed your mind or make up any excuse to quit.You should
think about your best interests first imo.
I don't really think you would have any problems as far as immigration
goes.
Does anyone else have anything to add to this? |
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AJ5
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| Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2003 6:09 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the reply.
Does anybody else have any comments? Please..
Thanks |
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Glenski
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AJ,
Can you explain why you prefer to get a job with JET? |
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AJ5
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| Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2003 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't actually get a visa from Nova would I? They would get a certificate of eligibility for me right? Then I would take that to a consulate to get a visa. Is that correct? If they get me a certificate of eligibility and I don't apply for the visa at the consulate, will I be ok if I end up getting into Jet and they get a visa for me?
Let me know if I have this right about the certificate of eligibility. |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2003 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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AJ5,
You are right. The employer or sponsoring agency does NOT provide you with the visa. That comes from immigration. The COE is what you get after the sponsor/employer files the paperwork with immigration. |
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Shonai Ben
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2003 11:11 am Post subject: |
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I also believe that once you have the visa stamped in your passport
you have 3 months in which to enter Japan or the visa will expire.
Good luck  |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2003 11:48 am Post subject: |
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Shonai Ben,
You get the visa stamped into your passport as you enter the country. |
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Shonai Ben
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2003 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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Glenski:
Actually when I went to the Japanese consulate they did stamp my visa in my passport and when I entered Japan they stamped "used" over my visa.I hope this clears up any confusion.
By the way,I find your posts very informative.Keep up the good work.
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Sunpower
Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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Location: Taipei, TAIWAN
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2003 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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Take that offer from NOVA.
Don't rely on the flighty whims of the JET program.
I've heard nothing but negative things from that program.
But then, I'm advising you to take the NOVA offer...ha, haa, haa!!
Get yourself over there with your visa and paper work in order and then decide who you want to work for.
Use NOVA to get into the country and get some experience and cash in the bank and then look for something more interesting/lucrative/flexible, etc, etc. |
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AJ5
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2003 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for all the info. So does anybody know if Jet does the same thing with getting a certificate of authenticity? I'm just wondering if there are 2 different people applying for me if that will put up a red flag or something.
Then again I still have a valid 5 year multiple entry student visa, that I got a couple years ago when I was an exchange student in Japan. So that will probably have to be cancelled when I apply for the work visa at the consulate right?
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homersimpson
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2003 12:05 am Post subject: Different Visas |
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| Bear in mind that the visa JET program participants receive is different from the one you'd get from NOVA. Therefore, even if you accepted an offer from NOVA and later took JET instead, it would have no affect on your visa status. |
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G Cthulhu
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 11:18 am Post subject: Re: Different Visas |
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| homersimpson wrote: |
| Bear in mind that the visa JET program participants receive is different from the one you'd get from NOVA. Therefore, even if you accepted an offer from NOVA and later took JET instead, it would have no affect on your visa status. |
Okay, I'm right sick of all this: half of you are just plain wrong, wrong, wrong.
Your prospective employer applies for a Certificate of Eligibility for you. This is given out by the Immigration people in Japan.
You take that and get a visa from the Foreign Affairs Ministry (read: yr local japanese Embassy or Consulate).
When you land you are granted a Status of Residence based upon your visa (which is then stamped 'used', and it is). The SoR can be whatever the hell the Immigration Officer decides to give you, although it's pretty rare you'd ever get anything except what the two forms say to give you.
If you're teaching English then you will get a "Humanities" status at minimum. *Usually* they add a sub-category, "Instructor". This is the same as for JET ALTs. There is no special JET ALT visa, contrary to myth.
That's all there is to it. EOS. The MOFA website explains all this in English in good detail - do a web search on it if you want to read up.
To the original poster, I was in the exact same boat. I rang NOVA and talked to the recruiting person. He said to simply turn down the NOVA offer with a letter back saying that something has come up (invent a sick relation (*he* suggested this, btw)) and that you can't commit to a contract right now. Make it clear that you would want a job otherwise. If JET turns you down then simply re-apply for NOVA.
**Do not** let NOVA apply for the CoE for you: if you're then accepted for JET the Ministry issuing CoEs in Japan is going to want to know why you want a second CoE issued when you already have one for a public company position.
Good luck for JET. :) |
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homersimpson
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"It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong ... I am not a big man."
In any event, I was (wrongly) informed by a potential employer that those on the JET Programme were ineligible based upon VISA restrictions. What's up with that? |
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G Cthulhu
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| homersimpson wrote: |
"It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong ... I am not a big man."
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In any event, I was (wrongly) informed by a potential employer that those on the JET Programme were ineligible based upon VISA restrictions. What's up with that?
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CIRs and SEAs do get a different visa from ALTs; they can't go do eikaiwa. And some school owners are just thick. ;)
But maybe it was true prior to the visa changes in 1994, but it isn't the case now. I know a fair number of people who've gone straight from JET to other teaching jobs and none have had to change thew3ir visas. |
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