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moonraven



Joined: 24 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ANYMORE??????????????

Folks who only listen to what they want to hear are in for a lot of learning things the hard way. Not just in the workplace, but in personal relationships as well.
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sigmoid



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Everyone is welcome.


Yes, this is true. But people who can offer constructive comments and advice without slagging off others are MUCH MORE welcome. Laughing
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moonraven



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe you should start your own forum--then you can make your own rules and legislate other people's behavior?

The concept of All animals are equal but some are more equal than others was meant by Orwell in ANIMAL FARM to indicate developing totalitarianism.
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web fishing



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moonraven is bluntly honest [which isn't a bad thing] but it stings at times. Life is about pro's and con's, rosy or ugly, Moonraven happens to paint the picture no-one wants to see. However, she is still giving an advice, and it isn't a nonsensical one.
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Henry_Cowell



Joined: 27 May 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sigmoid wrote:
But people who can offer constructive comments and advice without slagging off others are MUCH MORE welcome.
There was no 'slagging off' here. The OP asked for advice and suggestions. Let me repeat that: advice and suggestions.
St. Mongo wrote:
help us please! ....if you have anymore suggestions/advice, just let me know!...
Then when certain advice didn't meet with the OP's approval, the fur started flying. That's a true hallmark of immaturity and pettiness. Such qualities won't go far or last long overseas, especially in a society (like Japan's) that can sometimes be hostile to outsiders.
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

St. Mongo wrote:
whatever moonraven. I'm not listening to you anymore.

It appears that you have just proven moonraven and a few other seasoned veterans to be correct.

Sometimes ya just gotta love irony. Cool
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Spinoza



Joined: 17 Oct 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this 'irony' in the Alanis Morrisette sense of the word (ie. the only ironic thing evident is that she clearly doesn't know what the word means)? I fail to see the irony, I'm afraid Ben. The OP simply wanted to share her life situation with others, involving completely inoffensive subject matter, and was spoken to unpleasantly in return, seemingly in a dispute about choice of language. I do hope you're not suggesting that St Mongo's use of "whatever" somehow vindicates the rudeness that others have shown towards her for absolutely no good reason and turning an interesting thread into an argument.
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St. Mongo



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Henry_Cowell wrote:
sigmoid wrote:
But people who can offer constructive comments and advice without slagging off others are MUCH MORE welcome.
There was no 'slagging off' here. The OP asked for advice and suggestions. Let me repeat that: advice and suggestions.
St. Mongo wrote:
help us please! ....if you have anymore suggestions/advice, just let me know!...
Then when certain advice didn't meet with the OP's approval, the fur started flying. That's a true hallmark of immaturity and pettiness. Such qualities won't go far or last long overseas, especially in a society (like Japan's) that can sometimes be hostile to outsiders.


So let me get this straight...I'm immature and petty because I don't appriciate someone giving me advice that's designed to insult and belittle me rather than offer genuine help. Hhmmm...interesting theory.
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look at St. Mongo's 15th post. She has made up her mind. And, for those of you who won't go back, here it is.
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I think when push comes to shove, I'll go...with or without him. If I don't, I'll grow to resent him and blame him from keeping me from my dreams, and you're right, he doesn't deserve that. I hope and pray and hope that he will come with me in the end, but I know that either way, he'll be there when I come back...as will your man.
It's just hard to leave the man you love.


The last line is the focus for her coming here to ask for advice.

The real brats are those who can't read this paragraph and see that the thread is essentially finished. Those who wished to get in their last words are the real brats, in my opinion.

Those who coldly said "dump him" obviously don't recognize the value in a relationship (again, my opinion).

Hey, look at it this way. Some of you said forget him and come here anyway. Well, she has not forgotten him, but she is willing to come. At least she took advice here and met your "advice" halfway.

Let's stop adding to this thread. It's only flogging a dead horse.
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Seth



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 2:05 am    Post subject: Re: Advice for those asking Reply with quote

Cdaniels wrote:
I have to admit I find moonraven's outrageous posts entertaining, but I can see why she got modded, finally.


Is it odd that I purposefully seek out threads that moonraven posts in? Some kind of argument always breaks out, and the resulting moral indignation is amusing.
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St. Mongo



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

even though all I know of moonraven is what she's said to me, I too have to agree that her posts are quite amusing. I can only imagine the things she's unleashed on other people.
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moonraven



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those who do not understand Ben Round's comment in reference to irony: the OP never listened in the first place.

The OP is not interested in listening--she wants to be listened TO--and even assumes that by posting on Dave's she has obligated us to read her blog! Living a life of narcissism makes it tough for one to make and sustain solid realtionships.

IMHO the whole coy caper of asking for advice was just to get an audience of strangers to applaud that she has a BOYFRIEND.

Those of us who are seasoned veterans in the relationship department are not surprised that we have boyfriends and girlfriends, nor that lovers of a few months or a few years duration have become our best friends for the last 35 years! And we know that one of the secrets to having that well-stocked stable of lovers and friends at 60 years old is having the courage, faith and self-esteem not to try to CONTROL our friends--certainly not dragging them along on what should be individual adventures in living one's life--just to have a built-in audience and cheering section.

One final unsolicited comment to the OP: You don't have to IMAGINE the things I have unleashed on other people--Dave's has a search function that allows you to find all the posts by each poster. But that would mean making a real change in your behavior--you'd have to read what SOMEONE ELSE wrote.
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Hector_Lector



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why bother reading what someone else has written? I prefer to slaughter a goat, tear out its smoking entrails and divine the truth. If it was good enough for the Druids, it�s good enough for me. (And by the way, I�m part Pict.)
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grahamb



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 12:46 pm    Post subject: The truth will out. Reply with quote

Trust Hector to bring up smoking!
Only part Pict, Hector? I thought you were a thoroughbred.
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St. Mongo



Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonraven wrote:
For those who do not understand Ben Round's comment in reference to irony: the OP never listened in the first place.

The OP is not interested in listening--she wants to be listened TO--and even assumes that by posting on Dave's she has obligated us to read her blog!

Thank you for informing me that I have obligated anyone to do anything simply by posting a link at the bottom of my posts. I had no idea I could wield that kind of power over people.

moonraven wrote:
IMHO the whole coy caper of asking for advice was just to get an audience of strangers to applaud that she has a BOYFRIEND.

I still fail to see where in any of my posts I was being coy. I have been nothing but upfront in the details of my situation and how I feel about it. All I did was ask for the advice or opinions of people who have been in similar situations, and as far as I can tell, moonraven, you have not because I doubt that you've ever been in a healthy, loving and commited relationship in your life. I swear your "logic" is becoming odder and odder by the post.

moonraven wrote:
Those of us who are seasoned veterans in the relationship department are not surprised that we have boyfriends and girlfriends, nor that lovers of a few months or a few years duration have become our best friends for the last 35 years! And we know that one of the secrets to having that well-stocked stable of lovers and friends at 60 years old is having the courage, faith and self-esteem not to try to CONTROL our friends--certainly not dragging them along on what should be individual adventures in living one's life--just to have a built-in audience and cheering section.


First of all, I am not now, nor have I ever been interested in having a "well-stocked stable of lovers". To me, all that statement does is make you sound like a, how shall I put it, "lady of the evening"...something I have never had the desire to be. (I only picked that description because there's an automatic censor on this board. My first choice started with a W).
Secondly, I don't see how a) I'm controlling The Boyfriend by asking him to come with me and b) how my wanting to go to Japan is supposed to be an induvidual adventure. Where does it say that I cannot bring someone with me, not as my cheering section, but as someone I want to share something wonderful with?

moonraven wrote:
One final unsolicited

indeed
moonraven wrote:
...comment to the OP: You don't have to IMAGINE the things I have unleashed on other people--Dave's has a search function that allows you to find all the posts by each poster. But that would mean making a real change in your behavior--you'd have to read what SOMEONE ELSE wrote.


I've been reading your responces to me, haven't I?
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