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Glenski



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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Average monthly salary for a family in Japan is 554,000yen
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One is working as an admiinstrator at the senior's nursing home and another is working as a janitor at the high school. (snip) They both earn 5,000,000yen/annum.


Do the math. 5million is 417,000 yen/month, not 554,000, a difference of 25%.

That nifty little brochure didn't mention anything about how the average was computed, did it? Did it mention the age bracket from university graduate to retiree and just take an overall average? Not a heckuva comparison to a newbie teacher in Japan, in any case. I'm a bit pressed for time, or I'd point you towards the Ministry of Labor web site that shows a great breakdown on salaries of Japanese people. I suggest you look for it and do some REAL comparing.
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travellingscot



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
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Location: UK/Eastern Europe

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:49 am    Post subject: "Money saving behaviour" Reply with quote

Living in a "Poor" country certainly opens your eyes. Despite mineral water selling for 0.25 euro per 1.5 litre bottle,i've seen teachers fill up a bottle free from a dispenser at work,whilst many Bulgarians walk 30 minutes or more to fill large containers free from open-air supplies (Shop price under 1 euro).Toilet rolls get stolen so frequently that many toilets only give a few sheets at a time-most people i know here carry packs of travel tissues. Perhaps this could be a new topic like "The meanest things you've seen" either socially or at work ?

On the original topic of saving money,i don't think it's possible here in Bulgaria unless you work for the British Council or do 40+ contact hours per week (Tried it for a short while and didn't have time to spend money, but started to forget what day it was which didn't impress my students!).
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I've since had the time to dig into that web site I mentioned.
http://www.mhlw.go.jp/english/database/db-l/index.html


Here is a quote from the May monthly listing.
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Average monthly total cash earnings per regular employee in May 2005 were 276,908 yen

Dig a bit further into this site and you can see a breakdown by many factors (age, industry, education, etc.).

Then again, if you go to the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communiations web site (Statistics Bureau), you will find a staggering difference.
http://www.stat.go.jp/english/data/kakei/index.htm

For a 2-person or more household, average income is listed at about 700,000 yen/month. (Average for 2004 was 530,000. I seriously doubt that on average people made that much more in just a year.)

Thus, the figures on just about anything in Japan are fairly unreliable. A lot has to do with bonuses and overtime hours, but Japan is known by us foreigners as fairly bizarre in the way that it keeps tallies on its records.
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merlin



Joined: 10 May 2004
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Location: Somewhere between Camelot and NeverNeverLand

PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Perhaps this could be a new topic like "The meanest things you've seen" either socially or at work ?


I think it's in line with "saving money"

The meanest thing I ever saw? An old retired guy who calculated that each flush of the toilet cost him 5 crowns (about 10 cents at the time) so he shat in a plastic bag and took it out in his coat pocket every morning. He got the plastic bags from the supermarket vegetables section. You know, the clear plastic ones so there was no mistaking what he was dumping into the neighbors' trash can.

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Aaargh! Never thought of the handsoap in a bottle thing!
And now you can save $3 per year on hand soap. Very Happy
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dmb



Joined: 12 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

woah that's mean. I worked with a guy who flew into a temper tantrum because the school wouldn't replace a light bulb for him. He eventually forked out and bought one. When he left the school accommodation he took the light bulb with him.
(just out of interest Merlin where was the guy from? In the ME you come across alot of stingy people. The Scots have a reputation for being stingy, but in my experience the stingiest are our southern neighbours-the English)
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merlin



Joined: 10 May 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, he was a local, not a teacher. The question was the meanest thing you've ever seen, not necessarily the meanest TEFLer.
But it's not like Czech is a 3rd-world country or anything. Seemingly perfectly normal neighborhood but every morning theres this guy with his plastic bag. Incidentally the handsoap guy in the airport was also Czech - a soldier returning from a mission abroad and happy to be bringing home the spoils of war, I guess Wink .

The interesting thing is those soldiers get a lot of money when they go abroad and the retired guy has a modest but livable pension - so it's not like they are poor or anything. Just plain mean.

It's a disease.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Merlin, that isn't mean, it's downright nasty.
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