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saloc



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2003 11:38 pm    Post subject: Contractual Obligations Reply with quote

I wonder if anyone can help with this. I have been offered a contract to teach English in Japan. The contract stipulates that I must not engage in teaching English in the same prefecture as the school offering the contract for one year after the completion of my employment with that school. Does anybody know whether such a clause would be legally enforceable if I signed the contract (assuming I still have a working visa)?
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locagrl814



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2003 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

which company is this????
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azarashi sushi



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2003 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like "Lingo School" in Takamatsu ... Whether or not it's legally binding, it does seem rather strange. I think this is a warning sign... and this school is best avoided.

A.S.
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Sherri



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2003 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is not Lingo School is it? This was already discussed on this forum under "Would you accept this contract--advice please" (p2). Check it out.

As far I know this clause is not legally enforceable.
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homersimpson



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2003 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I seem to recall AEON had that stipulation in its contract. And I believe other eikaiwas have it written in as well. However, it's irrelevant as once you complete your contract, your former employer couldn't care less where you work or live. In practice this contract stipulation is not "enforced."
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tjpnz2000



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2003 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Japanese conversation schools like to put all sorts of things in thier contracts, the most famous being the NOVA stipulation that teachers are not allowed to see or socialise with students outside the school. I believe that 2 teachers who were fired for have `social relations` outside school are currently taking NOVA to court over this.

Although I am not completely up to date on the Japanese legal code or contract law the basic principle should be universal, a clause in contract that is ultra virase , that is latern (probably misspelt) for a making a rule outside of the power to do so.

In these instances the question is this: can an employment contract dictate behaviour outside the scope of employment? In the case you mention, after the completion of the contract. The simple answer is probably, almost certainly, not.

These clauses are put into contracts because the people who write them probably have no, or very little, legal training and don't really know what is enforcable and what is not. Teachers sign the contracts because they can't delete claused that they don't like and they probably figure that if they `break` the contract they won't get caught anyway.

An employers main power over you is the treat of termination of employment. In the case you mention the clause only comes into force after the contract is terminated or completed, therefore they can't fire you because you don't work for them. In theory they could take you to court for breach of contract, however, I would say this is unlikely in the extreme because first they have to catch you and then bring legal procedings which would of course be expensive.

I wouldn't go shoving this post in your prospective employers face and I haven't studied law for a long time but I wouldn't worry too much.

All of which begs the question of why I spent the last who knows how long writing all of this Laughing I hope this brings peace of mind or I am a real looser who needs to get out more Laughing

T
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2003 2:55 am    Post subject: Re: Contractual Obligations Reply with quote

saloc wrote:
I wonder if anyone can help with this. I have been offered a contract to teach English in Japan. The contract stipulates that I must not engage in teaching English in the same prefecture as the school offering the contract for one year after the completion of my employment with that school.


I would sign the contract with the knowledge that once you give your notice and or leave their employment, they have no legal or contractual obligations. youc an work for who ever you want, teach what ever students you want and even teach privates. they do not own you are you are not an indentured servant.

They only put these clauses in to stop you stealing students from your employer, or setting up your own language school in competition to them and taking students away from them. If they tell you you cant teach in the same prefecture after you have stopped working for them you can tell them where to go- this is not a police state. A plcae like Takamatsu is big enough for both of you (a couple of hundred thousand people) and they can not tell you what you can and cant do.

I would also like to point out that any contract written in English is not worth the paper that its written on, has no legal standing in a Japanese court. A court in Japan if it goes that far, would only read a Japanese-language contract. An it will be more trouble than its worth. If in doubt its best to contact a Japanese teachers union who will send them a nice telephone call to remind them of their obligations and what their limits are when dealing with ex-staff.

http://www.generalunion.org
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saloc



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2003 11:04 am    Post subject: Contractual Obligations Reply with quote

Thanks to everybody for your replies. There is a bit of a story behind this query but it is too long to go into and not really important in order to answer the question. Suffice to say the company has made it clear that they would expect me to honour this clause. I am of he same opinion as most who have replied - that the company either could or would do nothing if I were to seek work in the prefecture, but I was wondering if anyone actually knew of any website or such where this is shown to be the case in law. Unfortunately, what we think is reasonable or acceptable isn't always what is stated in law! If PaulH is correct, as I expect, then it doesn`t really matter because I have only seen a contract written in English. Paul - do you know where the rule about English/Japanese contracts is written? I couldn't see it on the generalunion site. Thanks again for your help.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2003 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saloc

I dont have any hard and fast links to prove this, but I think you have to consider that in Japan almost all most students can not even speak English after six years of high school, Japanese is the only national language used in Japan, there are probably about 4 or 5 politicians out of 450 who can speak passable English, foreigners incarcerated in Japanese prisons are not allowed to speak anything but Japanese with their lawyers, Japanese judges are to the far right of Georg Bush in their conservatism, and only Japanese is used by lawyers and court officers well you get the idea. I very much doubt if you waved a contract written in Japanese or Arabic in an American court room the judge would take much notice of it.

Anyway I have passed a message on to John O'Neill at the general union and he may be able to give me a more substantive answer, as they deal with employers and Labbour offices on a daily basis.

In my opinion, the English contract is for the consumption of immigration as the employee has to knwo what his work conditions are in his own language, and the unions use it to negotiate with employers when they cross the line. What is written in Japanese contracts is often different than the English ones (for an idea of what I mean you should look at some of the university contracts on http://www.debito.org/blacklist.html

usually its the unions job to negotiate with the employer about contract conditions and violations and will threaten them with a lawsuit if they prove unbending. Usually the problem is resolved with an employer way before it reaches a courtroom. (the union has has several major legal successes against conversation schools such as Nichibei, NOVA, Berlitz so it may be interesting to see what role English contracts played in those negotiations)
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 7:05 am    Post subject: Re: Contractual Obligations Reply with quote

saloc wrote:
Thanks to everybody for your replies. There is a bit of a story behind this query but it is too long to go into and not really important in order to answer the question. Suffice to say the company has made it clear that they would expect me to honour this clause. I am of he same opinion as most who have replied - that the company either could or would do nothing if I were to seek work in the prefecture, but I was wondering if anyone actually knew of any website or such where this is shown to be the case in law. Unfortunately, what we think is reasonable or acceptable isn't always what is stated in law! If PaulH is correct, as I expect, then it doesn`t really matter because I have only seen a contract written in English. Paul - do you know where the rule about English/Japanese contracts is written? I couldn't see it on the generalunion site. Thanks again for your help.


I have just got a reply from John Oneill of the Osaka General Union and this is his response

I quote:

"I've forwarded this to Paul for a definitive answer.

Basically if there is a contract then the Japanese version is the difinitive
version. If there is no Japanese version then I imagine the foreign language one will have to be translated, if it went to court and was disputed.

The Japanese Constitution allows for the freedom of movement and employment so the clause about having to leave is probably not legal. There probably can be a case prohibiting you poaching your employers' students, but not to work in the same prefecture."


In other words

the employer who put this in their contract does not have a legal leg to stand on.

Hope this helps
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saloc



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Paul. Greatly appreciated!
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