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Bahcevan
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| Aristotle - You have suggested that a business visa is perfectly acceptable to be changed into a resident visa for work purposes. Please provide a source for this claim. |
I would be interested in this as well. Aristotle, will you do as your
ancient Greek namesake did and explain your wisdom to us?
I have read your advice here, and am anxious for the back-up
information that guides your repeated suggestions. |
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fiveeagles
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Location: Jeonju, South Korea
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Alright, things seem easy again. Thanks!!! 
Ummm, she is canadian. So we will be both applying for a 60 day visa. How long does it take to get one? |
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Aristotle
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| Aristotle - You have suggested that a business visa is perfectly acceptable to be changed into a resident visa for work purposes. Please provide a source for this claim. |
Nearly all visa's are perfectly acceptable to be downgraded into an ARC and work permit for you issued to your employer or extended unless a no extension stamp is placed on them at the visa office.
Single entry visas fall into the same catagory as Multiple Entry Visasa but if for any reason there is a problem (there usually is) you have to make visa run and hope that you get another single entry visa. If you are forced to make a visa run and the visa office refuses to give you a visa you will have to re-enter on a landing permit then make another visa run and try again.
Get a Mutiple Entry Visa and you don't have to worry about it.
30 landing permits are the most difficult and 60 day Multiple Entry Visas are the easiest by far.
Good luck!
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fiveeagles
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I just phone the taiwan consulate in Busan, South Korea and they told me I couldn't apply for a 60 day visa. They said for me to work in Taiwan, I needed a Government letter saying they appove of me working there as well as a letter from an employer?
This seems completely opposite from what has been said on this board????
Am I having problems because I am phoning the korean consulate? Are they more hard core? |
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TaoyuanSteve
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:27 am Post subject: |
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I just phone the taiwan consulate in Busan, South Korea and they told me I couldn't apply for a 60 day visa. They said for me to work in Taiwan, I needed a Government letter saying they appove of me working there as well as a letter from an employer?
This seems completely opposite from what has been said on this board????
Am I having problems because I am phoning the korean consulate? Are they more hard core? |
No, you are having troubles because you are revealing your intent to teach to them. This is one of the nonsense games that needs to be rectified by the TECO offices. Technically, they are correct in telling you what they did. However, in reality very few schools hire and process permits from outside the country. You are forced to come here under the pretences of tourism in order to get a job or start the work permit process even if you have a deal ahead of arrival. They know this, but still refuse visas to people who make the mistake of being honest. Lying is, unfortunately, the way it is done and basically encouraged. Go and apply as a tourist and DO NOT tell them you intend to work or teach. |
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clark.w.griswald
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Aristotle I see a lot of waffling on but no answer to the question that has been asked by myself and another user of this forum.
You stated very directly that the multi-entry business visa that you so often tout on this board is acceptible for exchange to a resident visa within Taiwan. I have never seen anything that suggests that this is the case so I ask again.
Aristotle - please provide a source that shows that a multiple entry business visa can be exchanged for a resident visa within Taiwan?
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| Nearly all visa's are perfectly acceptable to be downgraded into an ARC and work permit for you issued to your employer or extended unless a no extension stamp is placed on them at the visa office. |
Well that's not true. The only two visas that I am aware of that can readily be changed into resident visas within Taiwan are a 30 day visitors visa and a 60 day visitors visa.
The question I have asked doesn't pertain to nearly all visas, it pertains specifically to one visa - a multiple entry business visa. Please provide a source that shows that this type of visa can be changed to a resident visa without the need to first leave Taiwan.
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| Single entry visas fall into the same catagory as Multiple Entry Visasa but if for any reason there is a problem (there usually is) you have to make visa run and hope that you get another single entry visa. |
Again this is wrong. A 60 day visa gives you 60 days to make visa arrangements. Nowadays the process of attaining legal status here takes less than 30 days. If you are incompetant enough not to get your affairs in order within 60 days, or if you are unlucky enough to accept a position at a school that lets you down in this regard then yes a visa run may become necessary. In most cases though visa runs are not necessary if you prepare well.
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| Get a Mutiple Entry Visa and you don't have to worry about it. |
Are you talking about a mutliple entry business visa or a multiple entryt visitors visa?
If you are talking about a visitors visa well yes this has already been said and is not at dispute.
If you are talking about a business visa then once again I ask - what is your source for the claim that you make that a business visa can be converted into a resident visa in country and without the need for a visa run?
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I just phone the taiwan consulate in Busan, South Korea and they told me I couldn't apply for a 60 day visa. They said for me to work in Taiwan, I needed a Government letter saying they appove of me working there as well as a letter from an employer?
This seems completely opposite from what has been said on this board????
Am I having problems because I am phoning the korean consulate? Are they more hard core? |
Actually I believe that your experience is exactly in line with what has been said on this forum.
I have never seen anyone post here that you can walk into a TECO office in another country, say that you are going to work in Taiwan and expect to get issued with a visitors visa for this purpose. It has been pretty clearly stated all the way along that you come to Taiwan on a 60 day visitors visa for the purposes of tourism and then change that to a resident visa once you find a job that you like.
I do understand TaoyuanSteve's post in regards to lieing to get the visa, but I don't really see it this way, although I do share his sentiments that the whole process is somewhat silly considering everyone knows exactly what is going on. There is no box on a visa application for 'Looking for Work'. You have a choice between 'Tourism' and 'Work'. If you check the work box then you need to prove that you have work lined up. As most people follow the popular advice and come here first to find work, then the only box that you can really check is tourism. The fact is that prior to starting work you are pretty much a tourist so I don't see that it is lieing to check this box. You are not working and you are not getting paid, you are travelling around and checking out the city - that's a tourist in my book, even if your intention is to secure work and stay here. Finally, if the government had a problem with this then they would go back to the old strategy of requiring tourists to leave the country to change the visa to a resident visa. |
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