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MarkT
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Location: Toronto
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 Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 10:47 pm Post subject: Degrees |
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I am a college graduate and I wondered what contries in Asia offer good contract for people without degrees?
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Chris_Crossley
Joined: 26 Jun 2004
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Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:21 am Post subject: China may be a good bet for people without degrees |
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| MarkT wrote: |
| I am a college graduate and I wondered what countries in Asia offer [a] good contract for people without degrees? |
That depends upon what you mean as a "good" contract. What may be a "good" contract to one person may not be regarded as a "good" contract by another. It all depends upon what your requirements are from a contract, such as "reasonable" working hours and "reasonable" pay. These, of course, require definition.
Having said that, I have worked with people who do not have university degrees, because they had invariably dropped out of college. For example, I worked at EF English First in Wuhan, Hubei Province, China, for two years, and several people I worked with had no university degrees. Though EF requires applicants to have degrees, the people in question had had other jobs and had simply "dropped in" to my school, enquiring if there were any vacancies.
After EF, I worked at a public sector primary (elementary) school for one year, again in Wuhan. Two of the male teachers who worked there during the year that I was there had dropped out of college before coming to China. It is true that they got slightly lower pay than I, but, other than that, we were equal in every way as regards our status within the school. There was, and still is, no "hierarchy" for foreign teachers there, although a friend of mine, a fellow Dave's poster, will be returning for his third year there from next month!
Since my (more than 3 1/2 years of) experience of teaching English as a second/foreign language outside my home country is limited to China, I cannot comment about whether or not it is possible for people without college degrees to get a "good" contract in other countries in Asia, although, having read the boards, I imagine that there must be some other countries where one may not necessarily have a degree but can have a good teaching job, albeit, perhaps, outside of a university environment.
Interestingly enough, you, MarkT, say you are a college graduate, but you are asking about whether people without degrees can get a "good" contract. Are you asking on behalf of someone else, by any chance? |
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MarkT
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Location: Toronto
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No and in fact I simply do not know why you have chosen to ask me that question.
I ask for me, only me. |
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Jared
Joined: 07 Sep 2004
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Location: Canada
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Hey MarkT. If you are a college graduate and have at least a 2 year diploma, I think you can legally get into Taiwan. That's according to my researches though. And the way I see it, China has alot of options to you. |
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Chris_Crossley
Joined: 26 Jun 2004
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Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:01 am Post subject: Yes, you can be a graduate with a diploma! |
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| MarkT wrote: |
No and in fact I simply do not know why you have chosen to ask me that question.
I ask for me, only me. |
I asked you that question simply because you said you are a "college graduate" and then you asked if it is possible to obtain work "without degrees". This question puzzled me, as it seemed contradictory. I asked myself at first, "How can somebody say he is a college graduate and then ask about obtaining work when one does not have a degree?"
However, I noticed (albeit later on) that you asked the same question in another thread, and you answered some other poster by saying that you have a diploma, not a degree.
Now I know why you asked the question and I understand now why you were asking for yourself. Yes, it is, of course, possible to graduate with a diploma rather than with a degree, but I kept thinking "degree" - rather like a collocation, as in "graduate degree" (though that means a master's!).
When I first went to university in the UK in the mid-1980s, it just was not possible to graduate at first-degree level with anything but a degree, but things have changed since then! For example, at the Scottish university where I did my MBA, it is possible to:
1. get an undergraduate certificate after 1 year of study;
2. get an undergraduate diploma after 2 years of study;
3. get an ordinary (i.e., non-honours) degree after 3 years of study; and
4. get an honours degree after 4 years of study.
Anybody who leaves the university with any of these qualifications do have the right to call themselves university graduates! |
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teacherger
Joined: 16 Sep 2005
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| In Taiwan if you have a 2 year college degree and TESOL it will work. The government accepts it. If your interested come now because the government is changing things. You never know when that will not work anymore. |
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