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| DMB went to a posh private school that offered the ENGLISH system. |
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Teacher in Rome
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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e allora?
What has this got to do with EU regulations? |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 4:10 am Post subject: Re: Sarcasm |
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| 31, you really are a prize merchant banker. |
There is no need for that. I am all for you lot having your own country. |
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grahamb
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 5:42 pm Post subject: All for it |
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So why all the snide remarks about the Scots?
Roll on the next World Cup. I can't wait to see the Polizei get stuck in to the England fans. I wonder if the riot police have any summer jobs? |
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QatarChic
Joined: 06 May 2005
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Location: Qatar
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: All for it |
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| I wonder if the riot police have any summer jobs? |
 I for one love Scotland..I've been several times and love it more and more each time I go........  |
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dmb
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I am a Scot and the longer I am away from Scotland the more I love it..... then I go back for holidays  |
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Luder
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Luder,
Seems to me you have an "It's not fair, I can't do what I want" attitude. |
Attitude? Me? Hardly. I was justing bringing personal experience to bear on the OP's question about whether the EU's restrictive hiring policies were causing it to "lose out." And what gets to me isn't the fairness or unfairness of those policies--frankly, I couldn't care less--but the insufferably smug posts of certain Europeans who make ignorant assumptions about the exact reciprocity of Australian, North American, and European work-permit regulations (i. e., why do you think you can work here when I can't work there?). Think hard, you bogtrotters, examine your consciences, you subjects of that old bag whose English is supposed to be the ideal, how many times have you posted a variant of that hateful and ignorant question?
My European experience has been in France; I suspect, however, that the way things work here is pretty much representative of the way they work on the rest of the continent. And you yourself, Rogan, say that the CAPES is a concours only for European citizens. Now, nowhere in the US would you be excluded from teaching in public schools on grounds of nationality alone. Hiring policies such as France's can only be self-defeating. In other words, the country, as the OP might say, is indubitably "losing out."
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| That isn't any justification for employing "Native speakers" in any State Education System. |
I'm not particularly advocating hiring native speakers in public schools. It's probably not the solution to the language woes of any group of students (though I do think I've managed to learn French as well as I have in large part thanks to the several foreign native speakers I had in my public schools in Caddo Parish, Louisiana, USA, God's country, etc.). But--and I say it for the third time!--seeing that, for one, French public schools discriminate against non-EU citizens and that, for another, US public schools practice no such discrimination and then having the nerve to proclaim all over Dave's that "I can't work there and you can't work here" smells of the worst sort of belief: belief in one's own lies.
Okay, so I'm getting really serious here, huh? Venting a load of spleen all out of proportion to the affronts received. What a waste!
Oh, and by the way, if an Englishman who can't even teach his own language is looking for a job in the US all he has to do is hit up the radio and TV stations (usually public) broadcasting programs for "intellectuals." I don't know how many times I've flipped through stations and heard some poofter with a ridiculous name like Alastair or Auberon pontificating in an equally ridiculous accent that we Americans apparently find more refined and more intelligent than our own yeoman speech. Now, how many American voices can you hear on British radio and TV news? |
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The Lemon
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| merlin wrote: |
I was stating that the idea that the EU is the ONLY govenrnment that "discriminates" against people from the US was misinformed. My mentioning Brunei, Singapore and Malasia was to give examples of other places where people from the US find it difficult to find work as teachers. Primarily due to the big difference between UK-style teaching certification and US teaching certifications. New Zeland, Australia, South Africa and all those other former colonies have educational qualifications that are comparabel or the same as the UK so yes, they can also find jobs where teachers from the US can't.
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With all due respect, I did not read your post out of context. I believe you chose an invalid example to support a valid argument.
Your continued claim that the issue of US teachers not getting hired in the countries listed is "primarily due to" differences in US vs UK certification will be unsupportable as long as hundreds of Canadians, who hold US-style qualifications and are products of US-style educational systems, land positions in the public schools of those nations (and in Australia and New Zealand, too).
This fact indicates it's more a matter of politics and "Commonwealth" heritage than of differences between the PGCE and North American BEd universes.
I have no issue with your central point, which seems to refute the claim that the EU "discriminates" against US teachers (and other governments don't). But the example you chose to support your argument was a poor one.
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| Make sure you read a post in the context of the post immediately before and of the whole thread rather than just latching onto isolated sentences and trying to spark a debate on a non-issue. |
Welcome to the world of internet message boards, where threads go down unpredictable tangents and you may have to read opinions you didn't solicit. |
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ls650
Joined: 10 May 2003
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Location: British Columbia
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| Your continued claim ... will be unsupportable as long as hundreds of Canadians land positions in the public schools of those nations (and in Australia and New Zealand, too). |
Really? This is the first I've heard of such a thing. Do you have a web site that offers more info, because I'd sure like to get one of these hundreds of jobs that you're talking about. |
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The Lemon
Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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| ls650 wrote: |
| The Lemon wrote: |
| Your continued claim ... will be unsupportable as long as hundreds of Canadians land positions in the public schools of those nations (and in Australia and New Zealand, too). |
Really? This is the first I've heard of such a thing. Do you have a web site that offers more info, because I'd sure like to get one of these hundreds of jobs that you're talking about. |
Here are a few places to start:
You can start at this New Zealand government site where they've been trying to recruit Canadians who teach in-demand subjects since the late 1990s...
Next, on to Singapore, and the Ministry of Education's site that recruits foreign teachers, , here...
After that, have a look at CfBT Brunei, where they recruit foreign teachers (including Canadians) for public school positions. |
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