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[sheeba]

I was stitched up last year. I was told all about my hotel being 5 minutes from my classes, the quality of facilities etc. etc. before coming. When I got here it was really nice and everything seemed fine until they told me I was teaching the other side of town. I was sent to a campus that involved over 2 hours travelling a day .I had to move there as the travelling was too much. I was put in a guesthouse there that had rats in the kitchen (see previous thread!) in a bad area of town. I was the only foreigner there and felt pretty dam miserable for long periods of time. I thought of running and the other guy there did. Today as I begin all year 2 after a tough 1st year the administrator tried to pull another fast one. Oh you will be teaching in another town she says - I know the town and it would be worse than last year. I told her straight out that I would pack my bags and go now if that is the case. I'm not going through the crap I had last year. I felt bad for just saying that but you seem to make me feel better.

On reading your post originally I thought 'what the hell' -the Chinese will take us for a ride if they can and would have seen justification for your run but you really make yourself look a dick with comments like -

I'm leaving because I am bored of this city. I've seen everything and the travel bug inside me demands change.

As for ethics and all that morality blah blah blah - Remember You are talking to ethical, morale people on this board (well mostly). I think somebody said earlier what comes around goes around - I believe that and eventually you'll get yours mate - I hope sooner than later.

[china_sk8er]

Yo Simon,

I was just wondering in what city and school you're deciding to run from. I did a runner when I was in Sichuan. Actually, the boss did a runner first to Shanghai and four of us tracked him down and we got our salaries that weren't paid to us. Of course, that was a good reason to do a runner.

I would also have to agree with cj750. It isn't a runner because there really is no contract. You're illegal so it doesn't really matter. The school can't take action against you so you're in the clear.

Cheers

[simon19812005]

What did I tell you about attacking something just because you don't agree with it? You may think you're moral and blah blah, but you don't seem to know how to listen.

Anyways, that's what I thought to skater. I am illegal, the contract is illegal, i have no Z visa, i have niether a green nor red book. The local police station has a copy of my apartment lease contract and a picture (and the school says every month you must renew this - along with your visa). Aside from this, there's nothing.

All I can tell you about where I'm running from is that I'm going from a big city to a small one.

By the way, there is no harm in following your heart (and this is all that I'm doing).

[simon19812005]

Here is a new spin I forgot to mention. Please ONLY respond to this post if you're interested in adding your relevant experience.

I've only been issued L visa's while in China. I think at some point, I may have to leave the country (possibly Hong Kong) and renew another L visa. I have a feeling I'll never have the Z visa. The new school (like many schools) appears unwilling or unable to issue a working visa. I'm happy with working illegaly (as long as I don't have problems in Hong Kong (either because I keep renewing L visas or because of the psuedo-runner I'm planning to pull).

Has anyone ONLY been working on L visas? How many times have you renewed before you went to Hong Kong? I'm only allowed twice (1 month each). What was your experience like? Will Hong Kong immigration care or have any understanding or desire to know why I keep asking for L visas? Will they ask for any documents (other than passport and current visa stamp)? I ask this, because that is all that I have.

[ryleeys]

A 2 weeks ago, I crossed the border from Hong Kong to head to Guangzhou on a tourist visa. I had 3 expired F visas and was concerned that they'd be upset about this. I just opened to the proper page before handing them the passport and never had a second glance at me.


Given that I'm also not working right now, I guess I'm technically not illegal. How 'bout that, eh?

[simon19812005]

In my case, I'll be going to Hong Kong (from inside China) on a soon to be expired L visa in order to request a NEW L visa at the Hong Kong visa office. I can then go back inside China again and work illegally for another 3 months.

Does that sound like a plan?

[hilary]

[virago]

[simon19812005]

Wow. That's perfect. What do they require in Hong Kong? Just a passport and your current visa right?

[kev7161]

Actually, schools don't issue Z visas (or any other visa); the Chinese government does. Also, if you are already in China the school should either get your visa changed to a Residence Permit or help you re-apply for a certain visa. If you're doing a runner, however, then you're on your own. Have fun.

[2 over lee]

Why not just get a 6 month or YEAR LONG F visa in HK? This can be done through one of the many agencies in Mirrador Mansion or Chungking Mansion on Nathan road.

[tofuman]

Simon, I appreciate your distaste for "mushy stuff." That you should consider common decency, ethics, or morals "mushy stuff" does remind me of Adolff Eichmann. He was kidnapped in South America by Israeli agents and hanged in Jerusalem. I'm not suggesting that your offenses are in any way comparable to those of Eichmann; however, your "ethical" paradigm is essentially the same.

Unlike most decent human beings, Eichmann was not troubled by the wholesale round up and murder of Jewish people. He was troubled by the possibility that some of them might escape his dragnet. He, like you, possessed an "anti-conscience." He felt he had done wrong if he did not capture Jews and have them murdered. Do you not see a kindred spirit here, not in the acts (no comparison) prompted by the anti-conscience, but in the origins of those acts--your somewhat unsual ethical paradigm?

Apparently you will be uncomfortable if you do not violate your contract and leave your students because another opportunity awaits you.

We have yet to heartily congratulate cowboy_pete as the progenitor of a new tribe of FTs. I somehow doubt that many affirmations of his conduct will be forthcoming, but like his protege, he probably also eschews "mushy stuff."

[simon19812005]

tofuman, you are an idiot that doesn't listen or read posts very well, please disembark. This is not a thread for you to rant about or fantasize reality. This is about a young teacher (or pretend teacher - whatever) that wants to keep his mind and body moving. If this offends you (perhaps because of your increasing age) - then please, by all means, disembark.

Anyways, this F visa sounds intriguing. I doubt the new school will pay for it. By the way, i guess I'm not pulling a runner after all. Considering, the contract I'm running from is not legal and no working permit has ever been issued. I guess I'm just leaving.

By the way, I found out why the school took me to the police station (It was for the purpose of filling out an application for temproray residence (for aliens). This is a monthly procedure (where the lease contract, and a copy of the passport must be sumbitted to the cops). Aside from this, there is really nothing legal or legit about my stint with the old school or city authorities.

[tofuman]

"By the way, there is no harm in following your heart (and this is all that I'm doing)."

Simon, Wouldn't you agree that the above quote is "mushy?"

When a person's heart is "in the right place," no harm in following it. In your case, your "heart" is in a place that appears to classify you as a sociopath.

As a person who appears to lack integrity, responsibility, honor, and so forth, the path before you is difficult. Open manholes, sinkholes, and stumbling blocks make your way uncertain.

So sorry for you and those who follow.

[simon19812005]

Not only will I excel in what I do but will always succeed at what I will do.