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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's rather broad. What other cereal box courses have you researched?
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Aramas



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Broad? On this forum? Next you'll be telling me that some posts are only opinions! Rolling Eyes

It's difficult to research cereal box certifications, since no one has actually heard of any of them. If they were substantially cheaper than a CELTA or Cert. TESOL then they might be worth a look, but they're not. Perhaps a Certificate of Tawkin Proper Like from Chas and Dave's Big Ben School of English would be adequate for a lot of TEFL jobs, but it's difficult to see the value in it.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aramas wrote:
Broad? On this forum? Next you'll be telling me that some posts are only opinions! Rolling Eyes

It's difficult to research cereal box certifications, since no one has actually heard of any of them. If they were substantially cheaper than a CELTA or Cert. TESOL then they might be worth a look, but they're not. Perhaps a Certificate of Tawkin Proper Like from Chas and Dave's Big Ben School of English would be adequate for a lot of TEFL jobs, but it's difficult to see the value in it.


Right. Thanks for the clarification. Rolling Eyes
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After reading

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with your ankles chained behind your ears and a pineapple up your butt


I have decided that you're right. I can't guess what you're into. Shocked And I don't wanna.

I get the impression that, especially since you're not a stoner, your concern is not so much getting busted, but what the law says about the general attitude in the country.

In this you're right- the fact that a law is on the books says something about the culture, and in this case, it says something worrying. And true, as drug use is generally highly frowned upon here.

I just wanted to point out that it doesn't mean that one is likely to wind up in jail for having a joint around here. Dealing, yes, it's possible, but simple possesion is something that doesn't really get investigated or prosecuted.

The idea that the police will find the little bag of whatever in your freezer is ridiculous, whether it's yours, or your roomate's. The police are busy interrupting traffic and extorting bribes.

Remember that oral sex is illegal, on the books, in many countries in the world. Doesn't mean you'll go down if you go down, but it does say a lot about the country's morality, cultural history, and general conservative nature.


On a more related, although perhaps less interesting, note:


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Other courses are of the cereal box variety and the money would perhaps be better spent on a holiday on Koh Samui and a 'CELTA' from Kao San Road



I've been researching the SIT (School for International Training) TESOL certificate. The organisation is well known and seems extremely reputable. Anybody know anything about their cert? I know there's one in Costa Rica, and there will be one in Ecuador very soon. (I'm involved in the one here in Ecuador, and would be most interested in what anyone has heard, good or bad.)


Regards,
Justin[/i]
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never hired on worked with a SIT teacher before, but have heard only good things about the course. When does the Ecuador branch open up JT?
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Offered through the Ecuadorian Experiment in International Living, it should have its first course in 2006, probably mid to late summer. It seems quite similar to the Trinity TESOL cert in content, but focuses on a fairly colaborative methodology. Groups are small, maximum of 12 per course, with only 2-3 trainers.

Justin
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coming soon to the back of a box of Froot Loops near you.

Laughing Just kidding. I look forward to hearing more about a good program in Ecuador.
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Aramas



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SIT? Never heard of it Smile
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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SIT? Never heard of it Very Happy



You're obviously not eating the right cereal. Laughing


No, seriously, I'm willing to admit that I hadn't heard of their TESOL cert either. But their MA programs in teaching and international relations are extremely well known in the US. I'd heard of them through those programs, and when I heard about their TESOL cert, it seemed worth looking into.

As the majority of the teachers I deal with in Quito are from the US, a US accredited program seemed a good idea. The course material is awfully Trinity-like, and the required trainer qualifications are somewhat higher. Plus, from a practical point of view, the course moderator/assesors are closer to hand.

The fact that it's not yet as well known in some areas seemed not to be too important in our target market, as the majority of people who come to Ecuador to do a cert seem to want to teach in Ecuador. In Ecuador, employers who haven't heard of a CELTA seem to outnumber those who have, and those who know the difference between Trinity, CELTA, TEFL, TESOL, or any other acronym are a pretty slim minority. A good program, with teaching practice and good tutors, seemed significant, but a major brand name did not.

This was pretty much the process that lead us to SIT. Anybody have any advice? Thoughts? Funny remarks?
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Witty rejoinders I've got in a bag next to my desk, but not for today.

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The fact that it's not yet as well known in some areas seemed not to be too important in our target market, as the majority of people who come to Ecuador to do a cert seem to want to teach in Ecuador. In Ecuador, employers who haven't heard of a CELTA seem to outnumber those who have, and those who know the difference between Trinity, CELTA, TEFL, TESOL, or any other acronym are a pretty slim minority. A good program, with teaching practice and good tutors, seemed significant, but a major brand name did not.


That's pretty much been my experience helping people find work in Latin America, with Argentina a notable exception. Not a lot of CELTA recognition, or in pockets here and there, more preference on experience, a degree, or TEFL/TESOL.
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jessicah632



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks all for the help (er, sans the drug bit!) As it is I think I'll show up in Quito as planned in Feb. and see if I can find some lower-rung work in Ecuador without the cert. (I'm not looking to save up tons of money here, really just break even w/ my daily cost of living.) If I can't find anything I'll probably go ahead and invest in a course somewhere, or perhaps try Central America as was my backup plan.

A couple more questions (sorry!):
1) Generally how long-term are teachers hired for (in Ecuador, at least)? Is there a market for fairly short-term, like 2-3 months?
2) Is it mostly part-time work or full-time? (I'd prefer part-time but it's no big deal!)
3) Any ideas on what the hiring market is like outside Quito & Guayaquil? Like maybe, in Cuenca or Loja? (I'd like to stay out of the big city but know this may not be possible. Quito's ok but I can't stand Guayaquil.)
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Part time and full time are both options, and if you really want part time, you'll be helping your marketability, as part timers are hard to find. (I often need them, to cover classes in peak hours, when my full timers are occupied.)

PM me as your arrival approaches, I might be able to help.

Regards,
Justin
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Cdaniels



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:19 am    Post subject: Rumors about SIT! Reply with quote

I don't have any experience with SIT, but I did look at their program a while ago. They're based in Brattleboro, Vermont (Beautiful country up there, esp in the fall) They used to sponsor a Spanish course in Cuba before the Republican administration stopped making allowances for educational trips there. Crying or Very sad I suppose they are left-leaning, although I can't say if this is reflected in the curriculum or not. For people who know they want an MA it looks very good.
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ls650



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know one person who was enrolled in SIT's MA program. He had some very negative things to say ... but then again, he's a difficult person for most people to work with, so it was unsurprising to me that there was a problem.
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MELEE



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've worked with 4 SIT MA grads and 1 SIT Cert grad. I think their cert is as good as any of the big names. And I've been debating wether or not to make this comment for about a week, here goes--I'll probably never hire another SIT MA. 1 of the 4 was a wonderful person and a great teacher (she was one of those people born to teach) she would have been great no matter where she got her MA, the other 3 were loopy. And two of them didn't know very much about teaching the English language (the one who did, but was still loopy, had a BA in education and had taught ESL in public schools before getting her MA.
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