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[teacha]

Come on people. You show me yours....Once Jenny said to me, "Oh 'Teacha' I have perfect job for youuuuuuu......my goot fren Mista Chan.He DIE Teacha!!!! ....I know him long-time. We good frend You believe? Mista Chan he just DIE, old man but I have his job for youuuuu...." She once called me let it ring once, hung up. Then 2 days later I called her and she told me that I never called her back. "No Jenny you let it ring once, I was right there I didn't know it was you it looked like someone's number I didn't want to talk to. I would have taken that job." "Oh ah you not answer I let it ring..." "JENNY you LET IT RING ONCE!" ".......Oh, uh yeah....is true.." She also described a GREAT job once and I researched the place online and emailed her horror stories and she said "Is not true." Iwas like, "Jenny it names the owner, the scams she pulls, the locations, it's several differnt times/years, sources, websites......come on! Does she NOT add up the 45 minute periods into hours (minus 15 minutes each) to pay for less "hours" and on and on?" She said she did not know. I said, "You told me you know her very well." "Oh but I don't know how she runs the school, just that it is a good job." "Did you have any complaints about her before?" "No, I don't think so....Maybe is not the job for you..." "Ah, yeah Jenny." I got more....but it's you turn now. show me yours.

[Welshguy]

Aaaaaah Jenny Liar.

Prepare for an avalanche of posts for sure!

[Aristotle]

Jenny Lai is a Taiwan recruiter/agent.
There is no such thing as a good agent or recruiter on Taiwan.
Please read this!

10 Steps to ESLT Success on Taiwan !
A.

[clark.w.griswald]

[markholmes]

I do not ever remember reading a good review of an agent or a recruiter on this website and until six months ago I believe the general, if not complete, consensus was do not use agents / recruiters.

I don't know what your involvement is in www. <mod edit> .com Clark, but if you are involved, that last post came dangerously close to free advertising. Mod comment: TOO close.
I think the real issue here is that both Teacha and WelshGuy said absolutely nothing of value. If they expect others to post about their experiences then they should do likewise so we can all benefit.

[clark.w.griswald]

Well as there has been some editing going on that has all but removed the opportunity for users here to know who the good recruiters are, let me tell you the names of some recruiters that have good reputations and you can google these names yourself to turn up further information about them.

John Dewey International Education Consultants Ltd
Taiwan Teacher Placement Services
Reach to Teach Recruiting

NB: Your search will probably work best if you enclose the names above in quotes in the search function.

These are all companies that I know of personally and none of them pay me a cent for promoting their services. I promote them as it helps to dispell the myth that 'all recruiters are bad' when they are not. It is nonsense to suggest that companies and individuals involved in recruiting are all bad just because we hear of problems in that industry.

It is disappointing to me that more people don't take the time to put their hands up and say this or that is a good company to work for, yet are all too willing to complain about schools when things don't go perfectly. One of the reasons is that as soon as someone does say something good about a school or recruiter then they get accused of having a vested interest in promoting the services of these providers. This is counter productive in my opinion as it encourages people who have had good experiences to just walk away without saying anything. This is sad in my mind as it is clear that the far majority of people have positive experiences in Taiwan.

Surely if it is inappropriate to mention the names of good schools and companies on this forum then it should be equally inappropriate to mention the names of bad recruiters and schools. That would undermine the value of this forum somewhat.

Mark refers to the fact that there are few to no positive comments about recruiters on this site. Surely he is not suggesting that this is because they do not exist. There are reasons that people don't post positive comments about schools and recruiters and I am trying to change this. In my mind information about good schools and recruiters is far more valuable to the readership of this board than negative information.

I don't know why my post was edited nor why my involvement with that other site matters. The information there is free and the agents that I refer to don't pay money to be recommended on that site. They are recommended because they have a good track record and I know them personally as honest companies. It is convenient to link that site as the information is all laid out that supports my comments.

[Ilanian]

I found my first job through Jenny Lai and it was great, never had to use her again. But for my first time she hooked me up with exactly what I wanted, more than worth the 20% of my first month's salary in my opinion.

As an aside I noticed John Dewey also quotes Buxiban.com in their adverts are there some "banner exchanges" going on between the two?

Just wondering.

[Serious_Fun]

greetings-

lets be realistic: the Buxiban site contains a wealth of information that serves the entire ESL/EFL community.

It is not the only URL that is referred to here, nor should we be afraid to reference all sources of information.


...educators are generally much more tolerant of diverse viewpoints....

[clark.w.griswald]

[Chris Smith]

I'm wondering why the mods are being so selective about the links they are editing.

Still available in this thread is Aristotle's link above entitled
"10 Steps to ESLT Success on Taiwan ! "

This goes to his website where you can find his forums. Some of the advice you will find here recommends illegal practices to secure employment as an English teacher such as getting a business visa:

http://www.voy.com/113223/223.html

This entails the prospective teacher having to ask a Taiwanese company to formally "invite" the teacher to Taiwan on business, for which of course there will be a fee. Aristotle can even provide a company to do this for those unwitting teachers:

http://www.voy.com/113223/571.html

So basically, I'm confused about the criteria on which to delete links. From what I've read on the site recommended by Clark there's a lot of solid information that isn't at all harmful to the readers. Aristotle's site, however, makes a series of unwise recommendations that could get the unwary into trouble.

Mods, would you mind explaining your actions?

[Welshguy]

Jenny Lai tells lots of lies and you shouldnt trust her because you cant.

I hope this is valuable.

W

[teacha]

[joandben]

In my and my partners experience Jenny is full of S**t.
Sent us to one town to an interview which turned out to actually be in a totally different town miles away from the one we were told. She then called us asking us to take the job constiently for about 3 days even though we had said no!

What I can say about our experience is that after refusing to pay her fee of 20% as she was getting a fee from the school as well she agree to waiver it so long as we didn't tell anyone if we took the job.
We obviously didn't take the job so i'm telling you all!!
I would recomment telling any agent you are not willing to pay them as if they have the choice between loosing their whole amount of 'comission' or keeping the schools and loosing yours they are likely to just loose yours.

I would also like to add that after working in the recruitment industry for a year in my own country I know that employment agents the whole world over lie - it just doesn't usually cost you as here in Taiwan!

[teacha]

BRAVO ! Yay for a usefull post that I love !!!!!!!