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PAULH
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HFurthermore, there are plenty of B.A. and M.A. holders teaching in universities in Japan.
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How many university teachers do you know that only have a BA? From past posts you have mentioned you know two or three people at one or two universities. that doesnt make 'lots' of university teachers and doesnt make it a general trend. A recent survey of over 300 university teachers showed that about 86% of full time and part time teachers had at least a Masters degree.
I've been at quite a few universities in my day and Ive come across very few Bachelors graduates teaching part time. They must be hiding somewhere or working in a little junior college where qualifications are not that important. |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 2:54 am Post subject: |
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| I've been at quite a few universities in my day and Ive come across very few Bachelors graduates teaching part time. They must be hiding somewhere or working in a little junior college where qualifications are not that important. |
Or they started their university work ages ago, when requirements weren't so stringent. |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:16 am Post subject: |
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| I've been at quite a few universities in my day and Ive come across very few Bachelors graduates teaching part time. They must be hiding somewhere or working in a little junior college where qualifications are not that important. |
Or they started their university work ages ago, when requirements weren't so stringent. |
I would say those guys came here in the 70's or 80's, putting them in their 50's or 60's. Ive been teaching since 1990 and am now in my forties.
I think its disingenuous and misleading to say they know older people with BAs and think that such a person could get hired with no Masters degree in this present economic climate. the Language Teacher magazine is about the only place that English speakers (or non-Japanese speakers) can look for current university jobs and the ads constantly demand at least a Masters. Call me a sceptic but i think a person with a BA has a snowballs chance orf competing for many jobs now with so many masters and phD's and i personally have seen only a couple of jobs (in Kagoshima, Kyusuhu) not requiring a graduate degree.
A recent TLT article now says that universities are even asking for phDs. |
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canuck
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:21 am Post subject: |
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I know a handful of people that teach part-time at universities, around 5 to 10 koma week, without a Master's. Some of them got the job because they knew one of the current part-time teachers and gave them the heads up and gave their boss te resume. I also know a few that were hired if they agreed to start a Master's course. I also know of a dispatching company that gets teachers to teach in a few universities in Kyoto. I also know of someone working full-time at a university with a Masters in Psychology.
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sushi
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hey PAULH whats this
"You are feeling guilty about failing students who dont deserve to pass. they have you wrapped around their little dainty fingers bcause its your conscience (or your groin) doing the talking"
Very funny that. If they wanted to give sex for their grades I don`t think I`d like it. No feelings and no warmth. They would have to be real good, and those ones I think would probably go after the Japanese professors.
So gorgeous Japanese students are just like the Korean ones. Maybe they are a little more brazen methinks. Had a buddy teaching at a university in Korea where it was common knowledge that the head of the mathematics department was banging one of his graduate students, his secretary and maybe his wife (the last person when he had the energy)
The comments you deleted last night were informative. The jet programe I am familiar with, but how it`s percieved I didn`tknow. I am not familiar with the ALT programes you have mentioned either. |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:06 am Post subject: |
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| canuck wrote: |
I know a handful of people that teach part-time at universities, around 5 to 10 koma week, without a Master's. Some of them got the job because they knew one of the current part-time teachers and gave them the heads up and gave their boss te resume. I also know a few that were hired if they agreed to start a Master's course. I also know of a dispatching company that gets teachers to teach in a few universities in Kyoto. I also know of someone working full-time at a university with a Masters in Psychology.
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Dispatch teachers are not university employees but are employed by the dispatch company. I worked at Kansai Gaidai and they had dispatch teachers sent by seico gakuen but you needed a masters to work there.
When I started in 1990 I didnt have a Masters but had one four years later by doing it part time. Am now enrolled in an offshore PhD. |
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PAULH
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hey PAULH whats this
"You are feeling guilty about failing students who dont deserve to pass. they have you wrapped around their little dainty fingers bcause its your conscience (or your groin) doing the talking"
Very funny that. If they wanted to give sex for their grades I don`t think I`d like it. No feelings and no warmth. They would have to be real good, and those ones I think would probably go after the Japanese professors.
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Depending on the school and teacher female students are famous for flashing some leg at foreign male teachers. I have heard or classes where female students dont wear underwear.
I could probably date a few of my students if i werent their teacher and managing their grades but that doesnt stop them giving the 'come hither'. when you see them one on one. revealing blouses, short short skirts etc.
How could fail something as cute and pretty as that?
Secretaries are not students and graduate students, technically, have already graduated. A graduate student relies on her professor to pass her thesis and Im sure a few think bedding the prof will ease things along. For many others its sexual harassment and not a pleasant experience to be seduced by this lecherous 60 year old man. |
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canuck
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| PAULH wrote: |
When I started in 1990 I didnt have a Masters but had one four years later by doing it part time. Am now enrolled in an offshore PhD. |
I'm not saying anything against you. I'm just saying that there are many teachers working at universities without Masters degrees. Actually, I wonder if it's worth it to work full-time at a university in Japan. I know a bunch of people who work part-time at a few universities and that make more than full-time university people, without the headaches.
Is it really worth it? What happens in the after the third year, interviewing for so many jobs, and not landing one? If a person can't get back in, then what? Could be tricky, really tricky. |
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PAULH
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Had it happen to me twice. term starts in April and I didnt know till end of january whether i had a job or not. Didnt know whether to turn down part time jobs or go for the full time jobs. In the end it came down to the wire with a recommendation. Five were hired out of ten candidates and I was one.
I havent done any research on this but a seminar i went to at a JALT conference afew years ago addressed what happens to such people. Short answer: not much, you either scrape together part time work at several schools, or you leave Japan. A few went from full time to part time. A guy i worked with with 3 kids lost his job and went from Kyoto to Shizuoka and is now in Sendai (tenure). His eldest son has changed school 3-4 times. I had to pull my daughter out of international school and into a japanese elementary school. Of course we had to find somewhere to live too. I came within one month of deciding to leave Japan if I didnt get a FT job. Had no job to go home to either if I went back home and with FT you give up all your previous part time work. |
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taikibansei
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Takibansei,
Sorry to hear about your experience.
You were just in the wrong school is all.
Good luck next time. |
Which "next time"? I quit the "tenured" job to take a better position in the States, then quit that next job to take a better one elsewhere. |
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taikibansei
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| canuck wrote: |
| I'm not saying anything against you. I'm just saying that there are many teachers working at universities without Masters degrees. |
And Paul is saying--an opinion I agree with entirely--that there are not "many" teachers working at universities without at least a Masters degree. Now, I'm sure there is the occasional part-timer, but I've only met one foreign full-time faculty member with just a BA--and he had more publications than the rest of the English Department (including me) combined. Indeed, Gordon is just the second person I know of teaching full-time without at least an MA--and I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that he got his job at least partly because the Japanese university had some sort of relationship with his Canadian university.
Now, I don't consider dispatch teachers to count--perhaps you've included them in your "many"?
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| Actually, I wonder if it's worth it to work full-time at a university in Japan. |
Yeah, it's a pain...and a lot of work. However, when you factor in the bonuses, housing allowances, travel allowances, seasonal adjustments, etc., the money as a full-timer is amazing. I was making US$60,000--with spacious housing at just 17,000 yen a month. Heck, my last year, we saved more than my current yearly salary now.... 
Again, this is part of the problem I'm having now--my wife wants to live the lifestyle of a Japanese university professor's wife, but I am not Japanese...and an American university salary just doesn't cut it.... |
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Henry_Cowell
Joined: 27 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| taikibansei wrote: |
| ... an American university salary just doesn't cut it.... |
Even in Idaho?? |
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