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tigerlily
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 Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:18 am Post subject: Is it standard for a school to pay for ARC/Working Visa? |
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Hello everyone!
Is it standard practice for the school hiring you to pay the fees associated with your ARC/Working Visa, or is it the teachers responsibility?
My boyfriend and I have recently accepted jobs at the same school and are in the midst of appying for our ARC/Working Visa. During our interview and negotiations, we got the impression that the school would take care of everything, now they are asking us to cough up some cash.
What gives? |
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Aristotle
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:36 am Post subject: |
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It is in contravention of Taiwans toothless and widely ignored labor laws.
File an official report with the Council of Labor Affairs (which will be ignored as most are)
and the Taiwan Corruption Reporting Hot line (so the CLA won't ignore you)
0800-024-099
Corruption Reporting Hot line
at your earliest possible convenience.
Good luck!
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:22 am Post subject: |
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I don't think that there is any standard in regards to these payments. Some schools cover all or part of these costs, while others cover none of them. It is sometimes a good thing to negotiate, but I wouldn't suggest that it should be a deal breaker if the school doesn't want to cover the costs.
The only part of the process that is almost always covered by the school is the work permit application fee.
If your school promised you that they would cover these costs then you could try to persuade them to honor their promise. If it was a misunderstanding and you don't think it worth pursuing then it might be best just to right it off.
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| It is in contravention of Taiwans toothless and widely ignored labor laws. |
Where in the law does it stipulate that an employer is responsible for these costs?
I don't believe that there is any such stipulation under the law covering this but feel free to show us all if such exists.
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| File an official report with the Council of Labor Affairs (which will be ignored as most are) and the Taiwan Corruption Reporting Hot line (so the CLA won't ignore you) |
Please don't follow this advice. It will just serve to bog up the system.
If however you can show that you were promised that these costs would be covered and the school then reniged then the CLA are the people who might be able to help. I wouldn't recommend that you mail them though, I would recommend that you phone them. You will get better service. |
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timmyjames1976
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| I am still new in Taiwan, but if an employer has already started to break promises in the very early goings of things then I would be very careful. That cannot be a good sign. Like Clark said though, it may be a misunderstanding. |
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Aristotle
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:42 am Post subject: |
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You will find that like most migrant workers on Taiwan these little misunderstandings will nearly always cost you and not the employer who misunderstood what they were saying to you when agreed to work for them. File the report and the problem will go away for a short time.
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clark.w.griswald
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| Aristotle wrote: |
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| it may be a misunderstanding. |
You will find that like most migrant workers on Taiwan these little misunderstandings will nearly always cost you and not the employer who misunderstood what they were saying to you when agreed to work for them. File the report and the problem will go away for a short time. |
Well as suggested by a couple of people in this thread the OP's question comes from a genuine misunderstanding. Sorry Aristotle but no flames here. Nothing to see. Please move on.
The wording that caused confusion was along the lines of 'The school will provide the ARC and work permit'. This is a pretty standard piece of information in any job ad. Although I hadn't until now considered that this could be misunderstood I can certainly see how it could be confusing - but not intentionally so.
Of course that wording is added to the job ad to indicate that the employer if offering legal work and that they can assist in obtaining all relevant paperwork to ensure that the teacher is legally employed. This is in fact what they do, so what they are saying is indeed what they offer.
The confusion is that the 'provision of an ARC and work permit' could be read as meaning that these documents are provided to the teacher and the school covers the costs. I can certainly understand that point of confusion. I would think that the school would generally specify that they will 'cover the costs of obtaining the ARC and work permit' if indeed that is what they do, and you will sometimes see job ads that state this.
Something that I would like some help clarifying for newbies is the current costs involved in the process. I am unsure of these but will put them down as I recall them, but please feel free to correct me if you have been through the process recently and have different information.
Health certificate NTD650
Work permit NTD500 (generally paid for by the school)
Resident visa NTD2,000 (I'm not sure about this one)
ARC NTD1,000 per year
So that is a total cost to the teacher of under NTD4,000 for the whole process. Does that sound about right to everyone? |
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ramakentesh
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| We got a quote of $1500 initial fee (not including the med check) $2000 for the 'police' and $1000 for something else - total of $4500. Our medical was $720 each. |
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