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KarenB · Joined: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 227 Location: Hainan

Yes, the proper education (Bachelor's degree) is important if you want to get a job at one of the places that can get you a visa. The Hainan government is pretty strict about that.

The private kindergartens and such don't care about degrees. There's private tutoring jobs out there as well. But there's the visa problem...

Most of the managers at the 5-star hotels have a degree in restaurant/hotel management and/or experience in the international hotel trade. (After all, these guys are running a business with international guests with lots of money -- they aren't about to screw it up by hiring some person off the street).

klasies · Joined: 04 Mar 2003 Posts: 178 Location: China

Yep, Karen is right, I have done the door to door thing for all the hotels in Dadong Hai and Yailong Bay, but the response wasn't very good. None would offer the Z visa. A few were interested but most of them wanted to 'share' me with other hotels and none were willing to offer accomadation. They all wanted the other hotel to do that. So if you can get a visa, find accomadation, work at a few different hotels and elude the Sanya PSB, go for it.

klasies · Joined: 04 Mar 2003 Posts: 178 Location: China

sorry double post

stormrider · Joined: 07 May 2005 Posts: 89

Unwelcomed advice, Roger.

I already said I don't want a Z visa. If they're happy employing me on an L, I'm happy too.

Too bad about your hotel experience Klasies. I'm emailing them now. We'll see what happens.

And cujo, take a hike, you are not welcome as you have nothing useful to add. Roger, you too. Either give relevant advice regarding the topic or kindly disembark please.

And I already said, you don't need to be a real teacher to teach in China. So take all that balderdash advice (that I didn't ask for) and share it with another laowai, because this one isn't listening.

p.s.
My students love me and they say I'm a great teacher, so buzz off!

Roger · Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 9138

Your words must be music to the Devil himself, and those "students" that "love" your "teaching" must be skinheads. Anyway, you won't last long enough anywhere and you aren't possibly good enough to flip burgers back home!

klasies · Joined: 04 Mar 2003 Posts: 178 Location: China

As I said before, if you teach on anything but the new Z visa in Hainan the PSB will bust you. I speak from personal experience. Sure some places will give you a job, without even asking what visa you have, but when you are busted, both you and the school will be in serious xit!
Enough said about working in Hainan, this thread is going round and round. If any of you want to came down here to teach look me up and I will do what I can to get you a legal teaching position and if you come here on holiday look me up as well. We can have a cold one and I will show you the sites.

Regards

Andre

stormrider · Joined: 07 May 2005 Posts: 89

Roger,

The Devil? lol! Idiot!

Klasies,

Thanks for your helpful attitude and experience. So I find this PSB talk concerning, as I've worked for several schools that never even mentioned PSB or Z visas (and everything operated smoothly).

What are the consequences of being busted in Hainan and how could such a bust occur (or be avoided)?

I'm willing to risk working on an L (if I can find a private operation that offers accom.)

p.s.
I've known countless dozens of laowai who teach in various provinces on only an L.

cujobytes · Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 5:53 am Post subject:

Stormrider, I've never in my life met anyone so full of crap.
You're not in China, you've never been to China. You want to work illegaly and you aren't prepared to commit to a contract but you want the school to provide free accomodation.
What makes you so important? Anyone with experience of China:
A: Knows that's not how it works, and
B: Wouldn't need to ask so many stupid questions.
Grow up. I'm surprised Klasies is taking you seriously.

stormrider · Joined: 07 May 2005 Posts: 89

That's because I am serious, idiot!

Volodiya · Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:50 am Post subject:

Stormy, where ever you are, whatever your qualifications are, you are making it tough on yourself by limiting the places you're willing to work, so severely. (For example, Hainan in China, and Ko Phuket in Thailand, as you've done, so far.)

If you will open up your choices, and offer to work where the need is greatest, you could get documented to work in China, or Thailand- without the university degree- to a reasonable probability. (And, in China, if your employer applies for the documentation to get you a Z visa, you will know, and they will know- in advance of your arriving to work- if the authorities are prepared to accept your qualifications, such as they are.)

But, in China, you've limited yourself to a province known to frequently deny permission to work to those who don't have a degree. In Thailand, you've limited yourself to one of the most popular destinations for TEFLers- making the competition from people with more education too stiff to navigate, if you don't have a degree- again seriously reducing the chances of your being documented to work (along with the possibility of getting the accomodations that often come with positions requiring such documentation).

Finally, by limiting yourself to short term time commitments, you're handicaping yourself across the board in the job search, no matter where you're willing to work.

cujobytes · Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:26 am Post subject:

stormrider · Joined: 07 May 2005 Posts: 89

I have a better idea, cujo. Why don't you take a hike and then get lost.

Volodiya, I don't want a Z visa (because I don't want to work anywhere for a year or even 6 months). I don't want to be a committed teacher. I just want to teach English for quick cash and then start backpacking again. I've done this before. If Hainan cannot accamodate this, I'll look at Yunnan.

cujobytes · Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:30 am Post subject:

Interesting how you're avoiding giving us any details of your past. Let's face it, you've never done it.
If you want to stop here and there and pick up a bit of cash for backpacking you won't be able to set anything up over the net. The only way you'll do that is to be here in China and drop in to schools and you might get lucky if someone has just pulled a runner or had an emergency at home or suddenly got sick and they need a fill in immediately. Otherwise, forget it, it's not happening.

stormrider · Joined: 07 May 2005 Posts: 89

Yes i know that.

cujobytes · Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:45 am Post subject:

And yet if you're prepared to stick it out for a year you'll probably get a school to pay your airfare over. (and you'll be able to save some money in a year for you backpacking adventure)