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skye



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 8:41 pm    Post subject: best guide books? Reply with quote

What are the best guidebooks?
Lonely Planet tries hard to corner the shoestring/young traveller market but locals scoff at them and they come with a reputation of offering wannabe backpackers a false sense of 'cool.'

personally i appreciate their friendly layout and have gotten used to the sense of security i get when i have a lonely planet. i've learned to mostly avoid their restaurant suggestions. also i resent the price which is very un-shoestring like.

i've recently purchased a 'moon handbooks' guide and have not decided yet. i do not like that its written by only one author (unlike lonely planets team of writers) and is rather dry.

how are the 'rough guide' series? frommer and fodor are a bit too stuffy/high class for us esl-ers.

clearly nothing is perfect, but what do you guys suggest?
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always liked the Let's Go series...I found the info spot on, with good general suggestions on sights, transport, etc.

Funny...I bought a Let's Go guide to the US and Canada when I first took my Mexican wife for a tour of my own home region. Found a lot of things I'd never seen before.
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Lonely Planet' is fairly reliable for all countries I have visited.
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matttheboy



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time Out city guides are far and away the best guides if you're going to a particularly city.

I've found lonely planet to be the best of the country guides for accomodation and activities and rough guides' country info tend to be the most insightful.

Rough Guides' accomodation info is incredibly frustrating as they don't mention a real price just a number which is linked to a 'pricing key' found somewhere near the back of the book.

Let's Go, especially for South-East Asia but also here in South America, is probably the worst of all (except for city maps for which Lonely Planet holds the crown for most confusing and/or plain wrong) with wrong information, places that don't exist and a worrying propensity to suggest brothels as enjoyable places to lay your head (so to speak...)
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VanIslander



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Google

Guide books seem second rate compared to info one can get online these days.

But I like taking notes. Wink Some don't like doing research.
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dmb



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who needs guide books. you can get all the info here on Dave's from fellow posters Very Happy
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's test that...

Best places to get a latte, a massage, and a copy of Jane's Defense Weekly in Turkey.

You have 30 seconds dmb...tick, tick, tick...
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dmb



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Best places to get a latte, a massage, and a copy of Jane's Defense Weekly in Turkey.
When in Rome guy.
Latte? Drink tea or Turkish coffee(Tophane tea garden is good)
Massage? try a Turkish bath. Forget the tourist traps of Sultanahmet, go local. Mecidiyekoy. Jane's Defence? Never looked for it but Remzi Kitab evi has every magazine I've looked for. Wink
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing we have a winner.

Mexico?

Latte...Coyoacan burrough, south Mexico City, a litte place called Finca de Veracruz

Massage...I'm told anywhere on the strip in Tijuana.

Jane's Defense Weekly. Skip it. Head to a Ghandi bookstore or any Sanborn's in the land. Chilango is a better read.
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dmb



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seriously though. The Turkish forum is afriendly forum. People are always giving advice about places to stay, places to eat, where to buy foreign food items, best local markets etc. I think the Turkish forum is what Dave intended when he set this place up. Foreigners abroad helping other foreigners abroad(We also have some valuable locals who join in)
I even met my girlfriend through Dave's. (Ok he maybe hadn't intended it to be a dating agency Wink )
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and that's the way it should be. I think most of the forums are like that...friendly, helpful. Mexico certainly is. Think there's a correlation between happy friendly forums and happy friendly countries to work in?

My wife is jealous of this place though...like the forum is a mistress of some sort. Laughing
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dmb



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My wife is jealous of this place though.
I know what you mean
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Think there's a correlation between happy friendly forums and happy friendly countries to work in?
I think there is. A started a thread recently. There are more posts on the Turkey forum than all the other European forums together. alot of us(in Istanbul) have met up for drinks etc, and become friends. So many of the threads go way off topic. Thankfully they don't get deleted. Contacting friends through Dave's is cheaper than mobile phones Very Happy
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ls650



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
Google
Guide books seem second rate compared to info one can get online these days.

Good point - though it's a tad bit difficult to look things up on Google when you're riding around in the back of a chicken bus.

As for which book is best, it seems to vary from country to country: maybe LP is the best for this country, where as RG is best for that one, etc. Go to a bookstore and thumb through some to see which will work best for you.
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Perpetual Traveller



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:
I've always liked the Let's Go series...I found the info spot on, with good general suggestions on sights, transport, etc.

Funny...I bought a Let's Go guide to the US and Canada when I first took my Mexican wife for a tour of my own home region. Found a lot of things I'd never seen before.


Is that the same Let's Go that covers the whole of Canada in about 20 pages? Not my idea of a decent guide book...Wasn't it Bill Bryson who dubbed it "Let's go and get another guide book", couldn't agree more. They are incredibly American-centric and I've had real accuracy problems with them.

If you are travelling with a friend or partner the best thing to do is one of you take a rough guide and the other a lonely planet that way you get the best of both worlds. I don't think the Rough guides accommodation key is so difficult to follow, it is right there on the inside of the front cover and giving a price range is probably more accurate than giving a price as they are probably the thing most likely to change.

PT
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't seen them all, but I found the Let's Go Mexico version to be good. The Let's Go USA and Canada is goof for the states, but yes, lacking for Canada. Not sure if they have one dedicated to just Canada.
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