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khmerhit · Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2003 10:37 pm Post subject: THROWBACK

yes indeed mr Robaded. Bertrand reminds me of that character in Lucky Jim (speaking of the 50s)-- Jim dixon's pompous professor. well-spotted.

If he was a fish (sorry-- were) I would indeed throw him back.

RobADED · Joined: 25 Jun 2003 Posts: 12

khmerhit · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 2:19 am Post subject:

Kimo wrote:

bluey · Joined: 24 Feb 2003 Posts: 50 Location: Shanghai

I'm afraid our very own Nutty Proffessor may have been overdoing it on the old Medicinal Herbs.

khmerhit · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 4:15 pm Post subject:

500 to 1

Minhang Oz · Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 610 Location: Shanghai,ex Guilin

Nice research work Dr Bluey!

Linda L. · Joined: 03 Jul 2003 Posts: 146

Balls to the wall boys - get him and hang em high!!!!

chinasyndrome · Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 1:56 am Post subject:

Bertrand · Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Posts: 293

But I think you are (knowingly) ignoring the basic facts of the case: anyone can get a job 'teaching' English in China; even non-qualified, unexperienced, non-native speakers! It is the facts of the case that give the TEFLers in China their definition, i.e., that of being at the bottom. This does not entail that all teachers in China are bad, merely (to repeat the same words, something that must be done often on this forum) that anyone can get a 'teaching' post there. I know, unfortunately I had to work with such people once. It is this terrible state of affairs in China that gives all other teachers a bad name (and most of the decent, experienced, professional teachers in the PRC do not deny this, on the contrary, they propogate the same view and lament the fact that anyone can get a job there). If you must know, I think that China happens to have some of the best English teachers in the world (at least from those around the globe that I have seen). However, and as much as you might not like this and as much as it may remind you just where you are, China also has the vast majority of the worst teachers in the world. If you don't believe me, try sending your CV to a firm or government institution in, say, Singapore, Hong Kong, or Sweden, or Finland. Or, better still, send it to Saudi Arabia and see what (if any) reply you get. I don't think that any more than perhaps 5% of the 'teachers' in China would even get an answer.

smarts · Joined: 24 Feb 2003 Posts: 159 Location: beijing

Bertrand · Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Posts: 293

Count_Fathom · Joined: 17 Apr 2003 Posts: 92

Reading this for the first time, I was pleasantly surprised to see an excellent reference to a Mr. Leopold Bloom. I think of Bertrand this way: often intelligent and well spoken, pissing people off as a by-product of his genetic make-up.

bluey · Joined: 24 Feb 2003 Posts: 50 Location: Shanghai

Minhang Oz · Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 610 Location: Shanghai,ex Guilin

Bertrand [that's as in "Russell" folks] signs off one of his rare Hong Kong Forum posts with "Dr. 'Bertrand' BA MA[Hons] Ph.D".
I cannot spot a teaching credential in there, yet he is quick to pass judgement on the teaching credentials of others. He would be unable to secure a state or private school job in Australia, as he's under qualified.

So, until he can establish some credibility as a teacher, let alone as a teacher assessor, I suggest he restricts his comments to his area of expertise, which would appear to limit him to linguistics.
In the mean time, he may care to enlighten the forum as to the history and nature of his EF employment in China. Some readers out there with EF experience may know him - just PM me for his name.

AKA · Joined: 04 Jul 2003 Posts: 184 Location: China

As is often the case, Bertrand is pulling more than our collective leg.
Here's the first Saudi Arabia TEFL job I came across on Dave's job board.
I'd qualify [although I think only 2 years experience is pathetic - what can you learn about teaching in that time?], and so would thousands of other China FT's. But who'd WANT to go to a country so screwed up they can't employ women by law, and you can't get a beer, or for Bertie, a smoke?
No wonder the salary is high......and it's the only thing high you're likely to find there, as Bertrand obviously hasn't been tempted.
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EFL Lecturer Positions (2-year renewable contract): Dammam, Saudi Arabia

Posted By: Dammam Community College <mailto:[email protected]?subject=EFL Lecturer Positions (2-year renewable contract): Dammam, Saudi Arabia>
Date: Saturday, 12 July 2003, at 7:13 a.m.

KING FAHD UNIVERSITY OF PETROLEUM & MINERALS
Dammam Community College
BOX #5084, KFUPM, DHAHRAN 31261
SAUDI ARABIA
EFL Lecturer Positions (2-year renewable contract)

We are interested in recruiting well-qualified, committed and experienced teachers of EFL/ESL/EAP for our Orientation English Program (OEP) at the newly established community college in Dammam (a KFUPM affiliate). Instructors will teach a well-establishd structured 20-hour-per-week pre-university intensive course in English. The OEP is part of the Preparatory Year, preparing male students for English-medium studies leading to an associate degree in science, engineering or industrial management.

Candidates are invited to apply for immediate openings for the semester commencing in Sept. 2003.

APPLICANTS MUST BE MALE, NATIVE SPEAKER, WITH A FIRST DEGREE FROM AN ANGLOPHONIC UNIVERSITY.

To comply with Saudi government regulations all candidates must be male and under the age of 60 years at the time of appointment.

QUALIFICATIONS

A Degree in TEFL/TESOL or Applied Linguistics or a one- year, full-time postgraduate diploma in TEFL/TESL from an accredited university is preferred. More basic postgraduate qualifications in TESOL (e.g. RSA/UCLES DELTA or Dip TEFLA) can also be considered for candidates with appropriate experience.

EXPERIENCE
At least two years' full-time teaching of EFL/EAP is highly preferred.

COMPENSATION
SALARIES are competitive depending on qualifications and experience and range from a yearly salary of SR 75,000 to SR120,000 (approx. $20,000 to $32,000). All compensation is tax-free.