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Looking for my place
Joined: 09 Sep 2005 Posts: 49 Location: Portland
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:51 pm Post subject: Advice for the wanderlust |
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Ok. Maybe I want some consoling, maybe I need like minds. I have lived abroad in several Latin American countries and whenever I am away I feel pretty good. My problem is that every time I return to North America, I get sucked in by all the societal pressures to buy a house, settle down, pay into a retirement plan, get married etc. I am in my early thirties and while I think Canada is a great country, I love the adventures of living abroad and feel that as my name depicts, I am looking for my special place in this world. Sometimes I feel other people view me as an irresponsible person running away from the real world. ..... just venting I guess.
So, I love Latin America and am looking for a country where I can spend many years, make a life, find a good job, save some money. Sounds like a dream but I believe they come true. I have lots of experience both in Canada and abroad and also have my MA in education. I am thinking that Chile or Mexico are my best bets. Western Europe is difficult cause I dont have my European passport. Asia would be ok for awhile but not sure if I would like to establish myself there as I feel that after living in Latin cultures, most Asian cultures would seem cold to me. Any other suggestions. Does anyone have any suggestions or contacts with reputable private grade schools or univerisities?
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Justin Trullinger

Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3110 Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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About your "special place," I have no idea. But do what fits you- societal pressures are suggestions, not obligations. Anyplace you choose to carve out a life, you can. Good luck.
But I think you'll find that the Tolkien quote is "Not all who wander are lost."
Although the two concepts may be related.
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lozwich
Joined: 25 May 2003 Posts: 1536
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with Justin. It doesn't really matter what other people think about your lifestyle decisions, the only thing that matters is that you are being true to yourself.
On the teaching note, there are lots of international and bilingual schools around, and lots of associations that support them and advertise vacancies. Why not try a Google, and see what you can see?
Good luck!
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MELEE

Joined: 22 Jan 2003 Posts: 2583 Location: The Mexican Hinterland
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Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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Over in the Mexico forum there's a last minute opening in Mexico...
four years ago I went to the US for my 10 year high school renuion. Everyone was amazed that I lived in Mexico. All the OMGs, I can't believe, I could never do that, you're life is so cool, got old really fast because, when it comes down to it, I had the same life as many of them---only in a different country. I got up early and walked by dogs (of course enjoying the incredible mountain sunrises) went to work, came home, read a little, or maybe went out for a drink. I now own a house, have two kids, and the Mexican equivilent of the 401K. The early years of my career, in Ecuador and Japan, were much more exciting... but now I'm pretty much the typical 30 something, I just live in a different country. |
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wildnfree
Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 134
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:44 am Post subject: |
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Melee,
I would liKe to asK you a question - after living in Mexico for so long, do yo feel "Mexican" ? Do you thinK you are accepted by locals as one of them? This is a big factor in choosing a place to establish themselves for many people.
I totally relate to what the poster is saying. This post strucK a cord deep inside me. LiKe you, I am longing to find that place to call home. I dont Know where it is , but when I find it, Ill Know.
A note from experience - dont choose asia. Culture is rather cold here (generally speaKing very conservative and repressed). I live in Hong Kong presently and every expat here long term maKes this observation. |
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Looking for my place
Joined: 09 Sep 2005 Posts: 49 Location: Portland
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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I also lived in Mexico for a year but had also spent time in SOuth America. The Mexican city I lived in was very rich and conservative and I had a hard time at first because I found the city to be a little cold and closed to outsiders. This option was not only from me, but from other Mexicans who were relocating from other Mexican cities. I found myself hanging out with foreigners which if I wanted to do, I would have stayed in North America. Anyway, after about 9 months, I was loving it and finally getting to truely integrate into the culture. I think that this situation wasn't the norm and as a whole, I find Latins to be warm, friendly and open. Due to a great career opportunity, I am considering a move to Korea. I am also concerned about the cold culture and rigid rules and believe that I will eventually settle in a Latin country. |
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MELEE

Joined: 22 Jan 2003 Posts: 2583 Location: The Mexican Hinterland
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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wildnfree wrote: |
Melee,
I would liKe to asK you a question - after living in Mexico for so long, do yo feel "Mexican" ? Do you thinK you are accepted by locals as one of them? This is a big factor in choosing a place to establish themselves for many people.
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No, I don't feel Mexican, and I don't think I ever will or will ever want to. I don't really want to live in the US anymore, but I like who I am and I can't deny that my US upbringing is responsible for who I am.
I am accepted by the locals as one of them?
It depends on which locals and what the situation is. Obviously the other members of my homeowner's association accept me as one of them. The members of my extended family-in-law also accept me as one of them. But in both of these situations its undeniable--I am one of them. I think probably half the people in the city of 50,000 to 150,000 (depending on where you get your numbers!) treat me like I'm just another resident of the city. When strangers ask me how long I've been here (7 1/2 years) they often follow up with the comment--Well, you're Mexican now. |
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Justin Trullinger

Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3110 Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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after living in Mexico for so long, do yo feel "Mexican" ? |
While I wouldn't presume to answer for MELEE, as I'm sure she'll be chiming in soon enough, I suspect for most people, the answer to this question will be no.
You CAN integrate. You can make friends, become part of the community, and build a life for yourself. You can even fall in love, marry, and have children, if you're that way inclined. But you can't become what you're not. You are foreign, and this will never change.
It doesn't mean that people appreciate you less, love you less, or even call you less. In some ways, a foreigner may be a special thing to be. But if you choose to live abroad, know that all the people around you grew up in a different place, a different language, a different culture, basically a whole different life than you. You can, and should, learn to understand the differences. Even to learn from and cherish the differences. But I don't think you can, or even would want to, erase the differences.
Regards,
Justin |
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MELEE

Joined: 22 Jan 2003 Posts: 2583 Location: The Mexican Hinterland
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Justin Trullinger"]
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In some ways, a foreigner may be a special thing to be.
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Nice message!
I had included but erased, but now will add, that the village that my mother-in-law is from, has taken me up as "their" foreigner. Several of them, my husband's aunt included, have "lost" sons, to the US. (their son's have immigrated for work and got married and stayed there) so they see me as the trade off. They also have "gone gaga" over my daughters. |
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just_call_me_sunshine2003

Joined: 28 Sep 2005 Posts: 2 Location: Virginia Beach, Virginia
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:54 pm Post subject: Irresponsibility? |
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My take on things is to ask myself, "Who am I harming?" And if the answer is "no one, including myself, even in the long haul", then I go for it. This is of course a general guideline I have set for myself. Variables at times do apply. But so far it's worked well . And I can TOTALLY relate to what was mentioned about other people (mainly my family in my case) thinking this may be an irresponsible way of life (living in and travelling to foreign countries). Again, goes back to "Who am I harming??" If/when I do marry, most likely will be to someone who sees the world through similar eyes, although at 33, the clock ticks ever louder - tic toc, tic toc.....
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Posts: 778 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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wildnfree wrote: |
Melee,
I would liKe to asK you a question - after living in Mexico for so long, do yo feel "Mexican" ? Do you thinK you are accepted by locals as one of them? This is a big factor in choosing a place to establish themselves for many people.
I totally relate to what the poster is saying. This post strucK a cord deep inside me. LiKe you, I am longing to find that place to call home. I dont Know where it is , but when I find it, Ill Know.
A note from experience - dont choose asia. Culture is rather cold here (generally speaKing very conservative and repressed). I live in Hong Kong presently and every expat here long term maKes this observation. |
This piqued my interest. I've lived in South Korea, Spain and Brazil. I'm living in Korea now. But have went to different places thinking of different things from different times.
The first time I was living in Korea (1996).. the idea of 'not being like a local' bothered me.. and made the move to Brazil.. and sure enough it was much easier to get to know the language, and things were more familiar, etc., etc.. but at the end of the day, you are no longer anymore Brazilian than you are Korean, and you are still exactly who you've always been and exactly who you are that you came from.
In short, for whatever reason, I'm back in Korea again (and quite happy about that). I also went to Spain last year (remembering I loved Brazil, yet I'd be in Europe instead).. it didn't do it for me like I thought.. I got to much of Asia in me now. In short, you'll never know what happen.. and the culture you go is irrelevant.. its how you make your life there that matters most of all.
I think I'm also a little like 'looking for my place'.. as even though I keep coming back to Korea many times.. and I really do like it after all these years.. I'm still always thinking about other places - right now I have Hawaii, Taiwan, Shanghai, and the Philippines bouncing around in my head.. but I'm always like that a little bit. I've also went back to live in the US twice - once to San Francisco and once to New York (thinking each one might be 'my place').. and each were great during their time.. but I find I'm happiest in my mind of just thinking of other places.. as going there its not all that different place then the one I recently came from.
I think I read something once from a sailor or something.. they asked them where are the two places you like best.. and he said 'the place I'm going next and the place I just came from'.. which essentially meant he was always looking at where he's already been and where he wants to go.. but never where he is actually at. |
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MELEE

Joined: 22 Jan 2003 Posts: 2583 Location: The Mexican Hinterland
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 4:17 pm Post subject: Re: Irresponsibility? |
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just_call_me_sunshine2003 wrote: |
[And I can TOTALLY relate to what was mentioned about other people (mainly my family in my case) thinking this may be an irresponsible way of life (living in and travelling to foreign countries). ...[/b][/color]
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My systems analyst brother just got a job after being in a state of laid-offidness for 2 1/2 years.
I was really enjoying being the "sucessful" one  |
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Justin Trullinger

Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3110 Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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It was cool when my parents, finally, after nearly a decade of globetrotting, decided to visit me.
And it was nice that they waited till I was stable, with a nice apartment, a good job, and (GASP) my own office. Prior to this, they always assumed I was living in some form of poverty, which was sometimes the case.
But now, they think I'm successful! It will probably break their hearts when I leave Ecuador to go and be impoverished someplace...cest la vie.
Regards,
Justin |
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incognito75
Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 10 Location: Minnesota, USA
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:00 am Post subject: I took am searching for my place...please advise |
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Okay so I really want to leave the USA and travel to any Latin American country to teach English but also to perfect my Spanish, I've been studying it for 5 years now, but I am a nervous wreck! I am a 30 year old female, go laid off my job as a teaching assistant, and I don't know what to do next. English is actualy my second language, NOT my native but I grew up in the USA for 29 of my 30 years. I am Asian. Does anyone kow if that will affect my gettign a teaching English job in a Latin Americna country? Can anyone recommend some places that are safe for women traceling alone? Any reply would greatly be appreciated.
And I do NOT have a TEFL certificate. Is that always required now?
You can reply to my persoanl email address at [email protected]
Thank you so much! |
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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:57 am Post subject: |
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I am Asian. Does anyone kow if that will affect my gettign a teaching English job in a Latin Americna country? |
Not in the slightest.
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Can anyone recommend some places that are safe for women traceling alone? |
As a woman, you'll have to exercise a little extra caution. Latino males are often very forward, so you'l get catcalls. Also, showing up at a bar alone will attract attention. However, day to day life, you can go anywhere that a man would, with maybe a few exceptions on city that I'm sure someone will pipe in here about.
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And I do NOT have a TEFL certificate. Is that always required now? |
Without knowing more about your background, it is hard to say. However, here's the easy way to decide. Do you believe you are ready to walk into a class and teach English? If no, consider a course. If yes, polish up your resume and start looking into flights. |
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