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Ian78



Joined: 03 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:06 am    Post subject: English Unlimited Reply with quote

Hi,

I am currently considering a position at English Unlimited in Gdansk. Any feedback about this company from current or former teachers would be much appreciated.

Ian.
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biffinbridge



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Location: Frank's Wild Years

PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:44 pm    Post subject: English Unlimited Reply with quote

I got completely dicked around by them 2 years ago.
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elblagskich



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't worked for them but heard similar.

Another conveyor belt?? Question
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zippy2k



Joined: 07 Sep 2005
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Location: Riyadh

PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 9:03 am    Post subject: English Unlimited Reply with quote

I walked in off the street in Gdansk with my CELTA and they signed me up on the spot, even after the induction week was over, saying I could "hit the ground running". I was given a max. 28 hr week for 2100 zloty, plus 600 zloty housing allowance( I found my own flat). This is not a bad deal, however:

I would sum up the problem now with EU as their reputation exceeds their capabilties. Although on a 9-mth contract, I was never able to please classes of 14 adults doing FCE, expecting miracles because they'd paid so much and it was "Newsweek's #1-English Unlimited". They set up 15 years ago under the guidance of an all-female group of lecturers from Gdansk Uni. My pay was always at least a week late. I got at least 60% satisfaction feedback from all my classes (over 80% from the teens) yet they terminated my contract after 4 months to replace me with a Polish native and most issues I tried to raise with them during my employement was met with being ignored or "go somewhere else"...The Biz english dept. never replied once to issues I raised during taking their classes. Locals I spoke to there were happy to do only biz classes with them(which became my situation aftter 4 months). "Teacher training" was made up of photocopied exercises regurgitated by a local in small groups, or practise lessons for Polish English teachers on "natives".

They do have some very talented local Polish teachers working for them who were helpful with teaching ideas - mangement were not unfortunately.
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gus64



Joined: 03 Oct 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:06 pm    Post subject: English Unlimited Reply with quote

I disagree with almost everything the previous poster has said. I worked for EU for several years and experienced none of the problems he mentions. I was always paid on time and what I was owed. Yes Polish exam level students are demanding but is that the fault of the school? That is a case of the Polish mentality; expecting a lot for anything you have to pay for.

In the time I was there I never saw a native terminated and replaced with a Polish teacher. The 2 teachers I saw who were let go were total nutters who had no business teaching and were replace with suitable native speakers. (This was before your time zippy so I'm not referring to you)
Teacher trainings were very productive and did not consist of merely handing out photocopies as you imply. The teachers who ran them were very good frieds of mine and I know how much work they put into preparing for them. In no way were they "practice lessons."

Yes EU management does like to pat itself on the back and that part of the system did annoy me. However, it is a very professional organization and I found it to be a great place to work. Unless things have drastically changed since I left (I still keep in contact with many of the people there so I highly doubt it.) I can not help but feel that the above post is more of a case of personal sour grapes than an accurate reflection of the situation.
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zippy2k



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I was always paid on time and what I was owed.


gus, if you read my post you'll say I didnt say they didnt pay what I was owed but it was nearly always at least a week late. To me that is something people ought to be aware of. Its also totally unacceptable.

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Yes Polish exam level students are demanding but is that the fault of the school?


Of course not, the problem lies when the school is somehow leading ppl to believe they will deliver something that isn't possible in the circumstances. I felt that I was never going to satisfy my students no matter what I tried(and believe me I tried everything I had) at EU and I haven't experienced that in other schools.

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Teacher trainings were very productive and did not consist of merely handing out photocopies as you imply.


I think things have changed from what you say Gus. "Sour grapes"? You're entitled to take that view on my post but everything I say is factual and can be backed up. Don't just take my word for it, I met nobody who worked at EU last year who thought the training was useful. Don't ppl have a right to know also that the "training" they get is somewhat engineered towards looking good in the rankings? There are many other things I could add like never any teachers' meets for native speakers...if this board's about getting info out to punters who might work in that situation I think they should know what to expect...


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gus64



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:41 pm    Post subject: English Unlimited Reply with quote

Zippy,

So does EU now guarantee people that they will pass the FCE or CAE? If not, then how are they making people's expectations too high? I'm married to a Pole so I know the Polish mentality pretty well. When Poles have to pay hard earned money for something, and yes EU is expensive, they expect near perfection. They can be very demanding students.

Evidently teacher trainings have changed. When I was there, the trainings, especially the exam level trainings, were quite productive. I rarely came out of them without any new ideas.
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Alex Shulgin



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:22 pm    Post subject: Re: English Unlimited Reply with quote

gus64 wrote:
So does EU now guarantee people that they will pass the FCE or CAE? If not, then how are they making people's expectations too high? I'm married to a Pole so I know the Polish mentality pretty well. When Poles have to pay hard earned money for something, and yes EU is expensive, they expect near perfection. They can be very demanding students.


A lot of schools in Warsaw at least advertise their 99.97% pass rate for Cambridge exams. I don't know if it the same in Gdansk. How the schools get their pass rates that high is another matter of course.
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Brooks



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there was an interesting article in the current Economist about cheating in Poland, but I don`t know how a student could cheat on a Cambridge test.
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zippy2k



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Teacher trainings were very productive and did not consist of merely handing out photocopies as you imply.


As with the salary issue, you are misrepresenting me again Gus. If you read my post you'll see I mentioned "activities".

I should add that the level of seriousness which the management seemed to take the training when I replied I couldn't go was indicated by their reply : zero. Fact. I've seen real teacher training vis-a-vis PGCE from experienced classroom teachers. This was certainly not that!
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gus64



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:01 pm    Post subject: English Unlimited Reply with quote

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As with the salary issue, you are misrepresenting me again Gus. If you read my post you'll see I mentioned "activities".


You said in your original post,

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"Teacher training" was made up of photocopied exercises regurgitated by a local in small groups, or practise lessons for Polish English teachers on "natives".


I don't see the word "activities" in there zippy.

By the way you're misrepresenting me. I never said you weren't paid what you were owed. You stated that, "My pay was always at least a week late." I merely pointed out that not only was I always paid on time but also I was paid what I was owed, an additional fact prospective teachers will no doubt be interested in.
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zippy2k



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I beg your pardon, Gus, I should have written the word "exercises" as just exercises. That is to say exercises=activities...

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By the way you're misrepresenting me. I never said you weren't paid what you were owed. You stated that, "My pay was always at least a week late." I merely pointed out that not only was I always paid on time but also I was paid what I was owed


You started your post with:
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I disagree with almost everything the previous poster has said
and went on to say you were always paid on time and what you were owed. By implication readers might see that you're saying I was complaining of not being paid what I was owed but I actually said it was a good deal on the face of it...

On that isssue however, potential teachers might like to know that EU actually don't pay as much (or near as much) as schools like Profi-Lingua though you have to put up with a lot more hassle...
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