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fox1



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sherri wrote:
fox 1
I never said that Japan was the only country with discrimination and I don't think anyone else here said that either.

alright but I never said you said that Wink

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If you read the article you would know that the problem is not "teasing" but a much bigger problem of not being accepted by the people of the country you identify with because of how you look or your parent's background--into adulthood.

I grew up with kids comparing their heritage saying I am half this and half that and breaking down blood lines into percentages. The point is that all of us could do that, in fact, the more you had the cooler it sounded. In Japan, kids whose parents are not both Japanese are the odd one out--and if you have kids, you know they just want to fit in and be accepted. Here in Hawaii, the term is "hapa" (half) and it is just another talking point.

I know lots of international families who have chosen to raise their children in Japan. I respect them for their choice and I think they are doing a great job. I just knew it was not the choice for me and my family.
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Sherri

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fox1



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SEndrigo wrote:
hey Fox1,

Gaijin does not mean foreigner. Gaijin means "outsider".

which is what "foreigner" means

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"Gaikokujin" 外国人 means foreigner, or literally, foreign country person.

"Gaijin" 外人 means outsider, or literally, outside person.

There is a big difference between the two and Japanese people know very well what the difference is.

This has more to do with how Japanese think in regards to foreigners than racism.

It may not make any difference to you, but you don't have a family or children in Japan.

how do you know
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EDIT double post

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PAULH



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fox1 wrote:
SEndrigo wrote:
hey Fox1,

Gaijin does not mean foreigner. Gaijin means "outsider".

which is what "foreigner" means


Japanese are outsiders in the US as they are not white or American.

They are also not gaijins either. Call a japanese person a gaijin when they are overseas and watch what happens as a look of shock dawns across his face.

They have been known to ask to have photos taken with gaijins in their own countries.


fox1 wrote:
how do you know


we know lots of stuff you don't know.
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sushi



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How is it for children born to non Japanese women from japanese fathers, and whose fathers take off and leave them. There are many Philopina women here with half japanessee children who are fighting for japanesse rights for their chidren. Will they have any success?
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sushi wrote:
How is it for children born to non Japanese women from japanese fathers, and whose fathers take off and leave them. There are many Philopina women here with half japanessee children who are fighting for japanesse rights for their chidren. Will they have any success?


Since when is a child born in Japan, irrespective of biological parents not fully Japanese?
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PAULH wrote:
sushi wrote:
How is it for children born to non Japanese women from japanese fathers, and whose fathers take off and leave them. There are many Philopina women here with half japanessee children who are fighting for japanesse rights for their chidren. Will they have any success?


Since when is a child born in Japan, irrespective of biological parents not fully Japanese?


What do you mean Paul? My son was born in Japan and he is not Japanese.
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6810



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

since if the Japanese father doesn't "recognise" the child.

there is a big article on this in Sunday's Yomiuri.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Japan is one of the only countries in the world where being born here doesn't have ANY bearing on your nationality.

If you are a baby born in Japan with both foreign parents, then by DEFINITION you have no right to Japanese citizenship. You must obtain your country's nationality for your child via. your embassy within the first month after the baby is born.


(Source: Survival Guide: A Guide to Foreigners' Rights in Japan, 3A Books: Tokyo. 2005)
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right Jim and you have to register your child with immigration within the first 2 weeks. No one told me and I went after 6 weeks. They were really ticked off, but let me register him. Like I had nothing better to do than go to the immigrastion office in the first 2 weeks after his birth.
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Dipso



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PAULH wrote:
fox1 wrote:
SEndrigo wrote:
hey Fox1,

Gaijin does not mean foreigner. Gaijin means "outsider".

which is what "foreigner" means


Japanese are outsiders in the US as they are not white or American.

They are also not gaijins either. Call a japanese person a gaijin when they are overseas and watch what happens as a look of shock dawns across his face.

They have been known to ask to have photos taken with gaijins in their own countries.

fox1 wrote:
how do you know


we know lots of stuff you don't know.


I heard myself referred to as a "gaijin" while in the US. (I am caucasian). It was quite bizarre.
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canuck



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JimDunlop2 wrote:
Japan is one of the only countries in the world where being born here doesn't have ANY bearing on your nationality.

If you are a baby born in Japan with both foreign parents, then by DEFINITION you have no right to Japanese citizenship. You must obtain your country's nationality for your child via. your embassy within the first month after the baby is born.

(Source: Survival Guide: A Guide to Foreigners' Rights in Japan, 3A Books: Tokyo. 2005)


This is an interesting read and should clear up a lot for people interested in this subject, especially from a world view about it.

http://www.poleshiftprepare.com/born_bred.htm
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JimDunlop2 wrote:
Japan is one of the only countries in the world where being born here doesn't have ANY bearing on your nationality.


Here again we see the "myth of Japanese uniqueness" raising it's stubborn head ("one of the only"). In fact, it is probably just as common, if not actually more common, in the world as a whole for one or both parents to have to be citizens for a child born in that country to be bestowed citizenship. For example throughout the Middle East just being born there counts for nothing. In fact, in Kuwait, I had second and third generation Palestinian and "Iraqi" students who were nevertheless not considered Kuwait citizens and unless they got a working visa at age 21 were required to leave the only country they had every known.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PAULH wrote:
fox1 wrote:
SEndrigo wrote:
hey Fox1,

Gaijin does not mean foreigner. Gaijin means "outsider".

which is what "foreigner" means


Japanese are outsiders in the US as they are not white or American.

They are also not gaijins either. Call a japanese person a gaijin when they are overseas and watch what happens as a look of shock dawns across his face.

They have been known to ask to have photos taken with gaijins in their own countries.

and the point of this is...?

1st sentence: OK.

2nd sentence: "they are also not gaijins either". uhhh by which you mean what? Japanese are foreigners when they go to the US or France or....

The 3rd sentence: about the photos... OK and????


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fox1 wrote:
how do you know


we know lots of stuff you don't know.


?????? i was saying "how do you know" to the statement: "but you don't have a family or children in Japan".
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="fox1"][quote]how do you know[/quote]

[quote="PAULH"]we know lots of stuff you don't know.[/quote]

?????? i was saying "how do you know" to the statement: [i]"but you don't have a family or children in Japan".[/i][/quote]


Look, YOU are the one who said you were looking for new roommates from Asian countries. I would think that most people who had spouses or children would not want to live with roommates. YOU are also the one who has asked many, many questions about living in Osaka. You asked about finding a certain type of tuna and finding other odds and ends. But you haven't asked ANYTHING about issues families would generally care about (i.e., support groups for families with small children, day care services, international schools, spouse employment, etc.). YOU also talked about living in China before you came to Japan. While it's not unheard of, I don't think most families are too keen on constantly uprooting themselves as they switch from job to job and country to country. It's a lot easier to do that when you are single and unattached. YOU talked about how amazed you were by Japan initially, but you have made NO mention of how your "family" might be adjusting to it. YOU said you work for NOVA. It is IMPOSSIBLE to support a family on a NOVA salary unless your spouse was working too and/or you had absolutely no outstanding bills to pay. YOU are the one who asked about switching from JMA (NOVA's) insurance, which would mean you are not covered under a spouse's plan--presumably because no spouse exists.

It's quite obvious that you don't have a family or children in Japan. There's nothing wrong with that. Most of us here are the same in that regard.

Having said that, it's also quite obvious that you're just here (on this board) to argue with people and get them all worked up over nothing.
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