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Indonesian language requirements for expats
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guruengerish



Joined: 28 Mar 2004
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Location: Australia

PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:26 pm    Post subject: Indonesian language requirements for expats Reply with quote

I've just a had a letter from a former colleague who is still teaching English in Indonesia. He tells me he is going to have to get into studying Indonesian more seriously, as the Govt are pushing for expats to pass a test if they wish to stay and work in the country.

I've heard this mentioned in the past; is this still fact or urban myth?

Cynical though it may sound, I wonder what the recruitment rate of English teachers is going to be like with the latest bombs in Bali.
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hairyrambutan



Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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Location: Beer section of Carrefour

PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Jakarta Post published an article on it last week.

Yes indeed, foolish as it sounds, this is what the ministry of labour wants people to do.

The say they plan to implement the test at the beginning of next quarter.
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ps2_machine



Joined: 29 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many people are going to learn Indonesian before coming here and where are they going to learn it?

I hope the test is for free also.

Any details about this?
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hairyrambutan



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The article said something about how applicants would have to spend some money in reference to tuition.

God knows how they're going to work it for people who have never been here before.

There's no way all the expat workers living here are going to 'master Indonesian' for their next visa extension (the test is meant to rememble the TOEFL in terms of difficulty).

Expect either common sense prevailing or large sums of dirty money changing hands.
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Salam



Joined: 19 Mar 2005
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Location: Perth, Western Australia

PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone have a copy of this article, as I couldn't find it on the Jakarta Post website.

This is something I really need to know about as I'm moving there at the end of the year and while my Indonesian is good enough that I wont starve to death, it certainly isn't at a high standard.
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ls650



Joined: 10 May 2003
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Location: British Columbia

PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I taught in Indonesia, only two of the seven foreign teachers knew any Indonesian before coming to the school. The rest of us learned Indonesian to perhaps a high beginner level over the course of a year.

I don't think this is a very well thought-out plan.
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El Llama



Joined: 12 Jul 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the link to a jakarta post article about the proposed test:

http://www.thejakartapost.com/yesterdaydetail.asp?fileid=20050926.L01

However, I don't think us teachers should be filling our britches just yet. Here are a couple of quotes from the article:

Quote:
Fahmi earlier said the test was aimed indirectly at slowing down the influx of foreign workers in the country with Indonesia intending to liberalize its labor sector under various international arrangements.

The government is to start opening its doors to job seekers from countries grouped under the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) next year, and in 2008 for those from outside ASEAN, as mandated by the World Trade Organization (WTO).

"Foreign workers must master the Indonesian language before they can work here, just as Indonesians have to master English before working abroad. This is to ensure that jobs that could be carried out by Indonesians are not taken by foreigners," said Fahmi.


I think that last sentence is key. The article also says that:

Quote:
The Ministry of Manpower and Transmigration would soon issue a list of job category subjects for the test


I would be very surprised if English teachers were on that list.
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kasihan deh loh



Joined: 26 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Half the Indonesians I know would be lucky to pass a TOEFL level test of Bahasa Indonesia, so what chance has the average expat got.

I think it's just another way to get more money out of the bule ATM's.
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Salam



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