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What's the difference with CELTA, TESOL, TEFL...???
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incognito75



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:16 am    Post subject: What's the difference with CELTA, TESOL, TEFL...??? Reply with quote

There are SO many programs out there. Does anyone know ifthese are simply just a variation of names or are they different levels or what? It's so frustrating. Are they all the same? I would appreciate any responses.
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Doglover



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:50 am    Post subject: Re: What's the difference with CELTA, TESOL, TEFL...??? Reply with quote

incognito75 wrote:
There are SO many programs out there. Does anyone know ifthese are simply just a variation of names or are they different levels or what? It's so frustrating. Are they all the same? I would appreciate any responses.


There is a list floating around with definitions to all the different acronyms. Most are similar but it really depends on whether you plan to teach foreigners in your own country or teaching in non-English speaking country. Some are degree courses will others are short term non-degree courses and diplomas.


EFL English as a Foreign Language
ESL English as a Second Language
TESL Teaching English as a Second Language
TESOL Teaching English to Speakers of Other languages
CELTA Certificate of Language Teaching to Adults
ESP English for Specific Purposes (e.g. Teaching hotel workers or nurses)
EAP English for Academic Purposes
TOEIC Test of English for International Communication
TOEFL Test of English as a Foreign language
DOS Director of Studies


M.Ed Masters in Education
D.Ed Doctorate in Education

Dip Ed Diploma in Education
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incognito75



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:53 am    Post subject: Thank you Reply with quote

Thank you for the doglover. That helped to clarify it a bit better. I am from the USA, am female, and want to go to a Latin American country to teach English. I have a BA and will work on a teaching English certificate. My problem is that I don't know which one the schools will accept (because I don't know which wchool I'm going to yet). Will most or all schools take any form of TESOL CETL EFL, etc?

Thanks.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:58 am    Post subject: Re: Thank you Reply with quote

incognito75 wrote:
Thank you for the doglover. That helped to clarify it a bit better. I am from the USA, am female, and want to go to a Latin American country to teach English. I have a BA and will work on a teaching English certificate. My problem is that I don't know which one the schools will accept (because I don't know which wchool I'm going to yet). Will most or all schools take any form of TESOL CETL EFL, etc?

Thanks.


Many, if not most schools in Latin America don't distinguish much between the course acronyms, nor the course providers. Otfen, experience is what really counts. Positions in unis or private secondary schools/colegios will be more focused on experience and a relevant degree.
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Doglover



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Doglover



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:25 am    Post subject: Re: Thank you Reply with quote

incognito75 wrote:
T My problem is that I don't know which one the schools will accept (because I don't know which school I'm going to yet). Will most or all schools take any form of TESOL CETL EFL, etc?

Thanks.


Kind of hard to get your head around at first but i think a common mistake is for people to do a course which they think employers want and hope they choose the right one.

My basic feeling is a course should provide you with a basic grounding in theory and practice so that you can function in a classroom. You are learning how to teach and acquiring knowledge so you can apply it to the classroom. Once you have that knowledge you can shop it around to employers and say you have studied xyz, rather than worry about whether they recognise your piece of paper.

Guy will probably agree that in Mexico, Japan, Asia, many employers are business people not teachers and they are looked for skilled and experienced people who wont bomb in a classroom. Many bosses do not have ESL qualifications themselves and there is no 'standard' for qualifications though some are 'better' than others and are world recognised (CELTA)

You get what you pay for, and if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. Spend a little more money on a good qualification (a CELTA course, one month, may cost you $1000-1500) and you will get greater recognition. It depends on the size of your wallet and how serious and committed you are about developing your skills as an ESL teacher.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would indeed agree, though there are options outside of private language schools that operate as businesses.
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denise



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The basic entry-level qualification is a TEFL certificate. A good program should be 100+ hours with several hours of practice teaching that is observed by both your fellow trainees and the trainers. The CELTA is the big "name brand" course, but there are many decent ones out there.

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incognito75



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:31 pm    Post subject: Thank you... Reply with quote

Thank you very much. All of the above information has been so helpful, perspective-wise. I do have yet another question (being a newbie).

Are there financial scholarships that would help a person pay for the TESOL or CELTA?

Thanks. I look forward to reading your replies.
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incognito75



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:33 pm    Post subject: Thank you... Reply with quote

Thank you very much. All of the above information has been so helpful, perspective-wise. I do have yet another question (being a newbie).

Are there financial scholarships that would help a person pay for the TESOL or CELTA?

Thanks. I look forward to reading your replies.
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look around, but my guess would be not many. These certs usually don't qualify for financial aid within the US.

If you're worried about costs, you might look into university TEFL programs, such as a post grad certificate, which might have better financial aid options.

Justin
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin Trullinger wrote:
Look around, but my guess would be not many. These certs usually don't qualify for financial aid within the US.

If you're worried about costs, you might look into university TEFL programs, such as a post grad certificate, which might have better financial aid options.

Justin


That would be a good idea. I have never seen scholarhsips available for private TEFL/TESOL programs. Best you might find is some kind of financing arrangement, but I'm only guessing here.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, for those of your regulars who've heard my rant before - but I suppose it's worth repeating.

You might be seeking funding for a TEFL training course for different reasons - but if it's because you have no "nest egg" you should reconsider going abroad until you've amassed some savings. It's important to remember that you will need to be able to fund yourself not only during your course, but that also landlords in many places want two month's rent in advance, and that many language schools pay monthly - after you've worked the month, not in advance. It's easy to see that any little piece of bad luck (accident, even small hospital bill, bad luck with a landlord or pickpocketer) can land you in serious financial difficulties.

I am not assuming this is your case, but if it were, my strong recommendation is that you should delay your plans, save up a few thousands, and then take off with the security you will hopefully not need!
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ls650



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
Sorry, for those of your regulars who've heard my rant before - but I suppose it's worth repeating.

No need to apologize - it's excellent advice. Don't go overseas broke and in debt: pay off your student loans and save some money before you go.
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Suziefr



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 2:35 pm    Post subject: Re: What's the difference with CELTA, TESOL, TEFL...??? Reply with quote

[/quote]

There is a list floating around with definitions to all the different acronyms. Most are similar but it really depends on whether you plan to teach foreigners in your own country or teaching in non-English speaking country. Some are degree courses will others are short term non-degree courses and diplomas.


EFL English as a Foreign Language
ESL English as a Second Language
TESL Teaching English as a Second Language
TESOL Teaching English to Speakers of Other languages
CELTA Certificate of Language Teaching to Adults
ESP English for Specific Purposes (e.g. Teaching hotel workers or nurses)
EAP English for Academic Purposes
TOEIC Test of English for International Communication
TOEFL Test of English as a Foreign language
DOS Director of Studies

Dear All,

I really need your precious advice on which qualification I should obtain.

I am a French native and I have been living in the UK for nine years.
I would like to teach either in Thailand or Vietnam and I was wondering if I should apply for a TEFL or a TESL. I need to get a qualification which will allow me to teach English even though I am not English.

Thank you in advance,

S
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